Durham: Clinton Campaign Fed Mainstream Media 'Unverified Derogatory' Information About Trump

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  1. Egoboy

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    Especially as it wasn't phony.....

    It wasn't important, but it wasn't made up either...

    Present the known facts to the media, let them do some legwork, potentially write a story, then let the other candidate defend or refute it...

    Happened in every election since there were elections.... and media....
     
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    What "billing records"? Is there a source for this claim?
     
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    It's hardly hyperbole; if this all he can cobble together after 3 years, his investigation is a massive failure.
     
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    You can obtain a copy of said birth certificate now by going to your state Vital Records website or going to a private website. And yes, you will get it pressed, not a wrinkle, with an official stamp of the state government and two accompanying signatures, whether long form or short form. Obama produced the short form, and then the GOP said only the long form will do because that is what the government only asks for. And that argument was a lie. Of course, the GOP so called experts were using techniques to "verify" the birth certificate that has not been used in years, even decades now. It is why most people did not take them seriously until the issue ran its course.
     
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    The state in which you are born has an office or department of Vital Statistics. You pay a nominal fee in person or pay a premium online, credit/debit cards are accepted only, generally.
     
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    Clearly!

    See, we agree! Excellent!
     
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    potential conflicts of interest is generally not a matter of law, it is an ethics issue for the state bar to handle.

    No judge is going to allow the testimony of attorneys that involves attorney-client privilege unless the attorneys are proven to be committing a crime intentionally with their client. That is hard to prove and didn't even come close in the infamous RICO case against a certain mafia person under Guiliani's watch.
     
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    There was no billing from the FBI to the Clinton campaign. The FBI or any other law enforcement agency does not bill anyone for their services. There may be an exception, but that would mean false police reports such as the Smollett case, and that is extremely rare.
     
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    Why do you assert "this is all he can"?

    And at that what we already know is a HUGE scandal have you missed that, perhaps the dirtiest political smear job ever in this country.

    So you don't even know what is going on here and yet claim the investigation has turned up nothing.....perhaps you should get yourself up to speed about the matter.
     
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    They're referring to Sussmann's time at the FBI meeting.... not the FBI's time...
     
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    The current short form BC Hawaii releases as a matter of course did not have all the birth details as the original. Obama be qualified to run as a natural born citizen hinged on his place of birth and the original would remove the doubts. He should have released the original from the getgo to settle the matter but he like Trump saw a PR opportunity to milk.
     
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    That makes a little more sense.

    However, if the bookkeeping was charged by Mr. Sassman himself, that does not necessarily mean he was working on behalf of the Clinton Campaign as an FBI agent. He would need excellent bookkeeping records and show he did not use any FBI or other government equipment to do his "research" and charged time when he was not on duty.

    Even though he was at the meeting, that may murky the waters a little bit, but it has to do with the accounting books and the trace of what equipment was used for the alleged research.

    Note to all MAGA posters: Under the Hatch Act, as long as you do it on your own time, a federal employee, even a special agent with the FBI can work for a campaign, charge the campaign for their services, etc, as long as they follow certain governmental procedures, in which some may need to be approved by superiors. If all the "i's" are dotted and the "t's" crossed, then it is legal.
     
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    Short forms don't. They only prove US Citizenship and identity. Passport offices prefer the short form rather than the long-form, but both are acceptable. Same with DMV, TSA, and other governmental agencies. Even the I-9 will accept a short-form birth certificate to prove work eligibility. The BC is intended for two things: providing identity and citizenship when obtaining certain government identiy documents at the federal or state level, as well as with employment. However, they did with the intended purpose
     
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    Fake News. First this is a Federal not a state case and secondly, there are two federal laws governing recusal.
    Do try to follow the discussion: Durham has put Lying Crooked Hillary and Lying Crooked Sussman on the horns of dilemma. They are simultaneously arguing that:
    1. That Sussman was NOT representing them, and
    2. That any correspondence between them is subject to client/attorney privilege.
    Does that help you see the point or are you still completely lost?
     
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    *LOL*

    Umm, no. 3 prosecutions is all he can muster. That's light years from a "huge scandal". It's pathetic.

    In sharp contrast, Mueller netted well over 30 indictments. And it paid for itself.

    Your response to the billing issue is a non-response, and weak. Cite to a source or hoist the white flag. PRONTO.
     
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    Great post but it assumes that truth, honesty and responsibility are to be expected. Won't happen.
     
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    yes, and Trump did the same about Clinton, that is politics on both sides
     
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    • Durham: Clinton Campaign Fed Mainstream Media 'Unverified Derogatory' Information About Trump

    ~ There are still those who believe it ... :no:'
     
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    It was all total Lying Crooked Hillary manufactured dirt, hand fed to an eager DOJ/FBI/Fake News Press in service of the DNC and here you are dutifully regurgitating it.

    What have you learned from this humiliation about blind sourcing and the Lying fake news?

    Hillary Clinton Did It.

    “In short, the Clinton campaign created the Trump-Alfa allegation, fed it to a credulous press that failed to confirm the allegations but ran with them anyway, then promoted the story as if it was legitimate news. The campaign also delivered the claims to the FBI, giving journalists another excuse to portray the accusations as serious and perhaps true.”

    "Prosecutors asked Mr. Mook," Lying Crooked Hillary's Campaign Manager, "about his role in funneling the Alfa Bank claims to the press. Mr. Mook admitted the campaign lacked expertise to vet the data, yet the decision was made by Mr. Mook, policy adviser Jake Sullivan (now President Biden’s national security adviser), communications director Jennifer Palmieri and campaign chairman John Podesta to give the Alfa Bank claims to a reporter. Mrs. Clinton approved the plan. A story on the Trump-Alfa Bank allegations then appeared in Slate, a left-leaning online publication."

    And that's how all these lies and slander were fed to the press who spewed them across the nation 24/7, for years, like an endless stream of diarrhea, to first rig the election and failing that, to drive the candidate that beat the Democrat, from office.

    "On Oct. 31, 2016, Mr. Sullivan issued a statement mentioning the Slate story, writing, “This could be the most direct link yet between Donald Trump and Moscow.” Mrs. Clinton tweeted Mr. Sullivan’s statement with the comment: “Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank.” “Apparently” is doing a lot of work in that sentence."

    "In short, the Clinton campaign created the Trump-Alfa allegation, fed it to a credulous press that failed to confirm the allegations but ran with them anyway, then promoted the story as if it was legitimate news. The campaign also delivered the claims to the FBI, giving journalists another excuse to portray the accusations as serious and perhaps true."

    Hideous. The most vicious attack on our election systems and our federal structure that we have ever endured, and so far, not one person has gone to jail or even lost their government pension.
     
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    yep, course to them that doesn't count

    Trump released things that were proven lies

    unverified rumors are the norm and is expected from both sides
     
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    the right will attack Clinton for Fusion GPS... but.....

    Marco Rubio ended it after he lost the primaries

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html

    "During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination."


    so sometime after May 2016, the Hillary supporters hired Fusion GPS a few months before the election to continue the opposition research and get access to what republicans had already uncovered
     
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    It's a good thing that I didn't hold my breath waiting for a source as to Sussman's "billing records".
     
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    Lol!
     
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    Wrong.

    What he's arguing is that he was not speaking to the FBI as her campaign's lawyer, and that his correspondence, which has nothing to do with his discussions with the FBI is subject to attorney/client privilege. Both can be true at the same time.

    If there's any evidentiary issue here, the judge is going to look at the correspondence in chambers in order to sort out what's subject to the privilege and what's not.

    Boy, that Durham investigation is going gangbusters! Woweee! A whole 3 indictments!
     
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    Where are those Sussman billing records!? :confusion:
     
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