Dying words: This [Covid] isn't real

None of the drugs expected to get to us, were created by warp speed.

One is from Germany and the other was from private funding, AKA Dolly Parton.

 

Roll out begins under President Trump! It is not Biden's roll out regardless of what the liberals think. Trump made this happen in record time! A liberal leader just would have locked us all up and destroyed the United State economically. President Trump has saved us from that under the dope Biden!

 

You are wrong AGAIN! And you keep spreading these lies!

 

?? Is there a third? I only know of two.

 

Name the two.

 

I don't know the full context of your conversation due to my extensive Ignore list... but as a matter of fact, Regeneron and Eli Lilly are both part of the Warp Speed Initiative and received funds for their monoclonal antibody therapies. As much as I became anti-Trump, we need to give credit where credit is due.

 

yeah, let me know when you get your vaccine, it will be under Biden, not Trump

 

You and I both know that the vaccine liberals get will be by Trump's actions and has nothing to do with sleepy Joe!

 

Answering your question, in addition to the non-vaccine part of Warp Speed, which includes therapeutics like the monoclonal antibody drugs by Regeneron and Eli Lilly, distribution companies, and glass vial companies, etc., the vaccine component of Warp Speed is as follows:

Directly funded:

Johnson and Johnson
Moderna/NIH
Oxford/AstraZeneca
Sanofi/GlaxoSmithKline

Indirectly funded

Inovio
Vaxart/Emergent Biosolutions

No R&D funding but advance purchase orders have been established for two additional companies:

Novavax
Pfizer/BioNTech

 

you and I both know Trump had nothing to do with making the vaccine

but Trump will still be anti-vax to try to hamper the Biden admin rolling this vaccine out to the people

 

exactly, our government is the consumer of the vaccine, they did not create it

 

The actions directed by the President and the funding supplied under Operation Warp Speed got us to a vaccine faster than ever in history! Thank you President Donald Trump!!

 

Again, you know how anti-Trump I am right now, but this is not entirely true.
Of course Trump didn't go to the lab and didn't sequence the genome of the virus, didn't synthesize the mRNA, and didn't conduct and analyze the trials. I'm all for crediting my fellow scientists.

But the Trump ADMINISTRATION did have a lot to do with the fast development of some of the vaccines.

Moderna, for example, was able to hire an additional 100 scientists and to put them to work in alternating shifts 24/7, thanks to funds from the Warp Speed initiative. Cost sharing for Moderna, Oxford/AstraZeneca, Johnson and Johnson, and Sanofi/GSK were instrumental in getting these companies to move faster between pre-clinical phase and clinical phases 1, 2, and 3, without worrying about their product failing along the way (which often necessitates careful review and planning before starting the next phase; unimpeded by this fear, companies were, for example, able to run phase I/II simultaneously and to move faster to phase III before the full results of II were in. Also, companies were able to beef up production lines and equipment.

So, no, there is no doubt that the Warp Speed Initiative did expedite things.

This said, it is ALSO true that some of the best and fastest vaccine candidates were entirely developed outside of the Warp Speed Initiative (such as Pfizer/BioNTech's BNT162b2, Gamaleya's Sputinik V, and Sinovac/Butantan's CoronaVac), therefore to some degree, we might have had vaccines just as fast without the WSI, due to other sources of funding and other initiatives like CEPI, and direct funding by governments of other countries like Germany, Russia, China, and Brazil (the latter, by two state governments, Sao Paulo and Parana).

 

nope, Pfizer was not part of warp speed, actually the German government funded them

Trump has not even been to a covid task force meeting in months

 

No, in the case of some of the above, dully identified, it was more than just being a consumer. It was being a cost-sharing partner. In the case of Moderna/NIH our government also helped the startup company with scientific expertise, in addition to funding.

 

No R&D funding for Pfizer but the Warp Speed Initiative did allocate 1.9 billion dollars to Pfizer in an advance purchase order. This almost matches the full Pfizer expenses (reported as about 2 billion) so it gives to the company peace of mind in knowing that the product will be profitable.

 

yep, and Trump gets the credit for the virus he played down too then, good and bad right - over a qtr a million Americans died on Trump's watch

 

You're preaching to the choir. I've been complaining of Trump's mismanagement of the pandemic over and over, which is demonstrable in my posting history. I voted for Biden precisely for this main reason (among others that weighed less in my decision than the Covid-19 crisis). But this doesn't mean we shouldn't give credit where credit is due, and the Warp Speed Initiative was and is beneficial.

 

oh I agree it was beneficial, but it does not give Trump credit for the vaccine

 

I mean, this is a bit disputable. Partial credit, then? Because if it was beneficial (and it was), then it did advance the making and delivery of the vaccine to an earlier date, which will save at least some lives.

I know that it's a bit like fixing a mess that you made yourself... but let's not deny the good part. It makes the criticism less credible. It opens the flank to accusations of "Orange Man Bad" and "TDS" when we don't acknowledge the things that he got right.

 

Ah. There are two more. I only know about the one in Germany and the one Dolly Parton helped fund; neither of which are in the warp speed.

Good to know.

All things considered; this went remarkably fast. We can accomplish so much when we have a common goal.

In the plus column for Trump. Agreed. I don't despise everything he's done, either. No president has ever been all good, nor all bad.

 

in the same sence as Biden will get credit for the distribution of the vaccine, I agree

 

No, it's more than that. The Warp Speed Initiative did do a lot of good, down to details like getting Corning, the glass company, to ensure the supply of the special glass vials needed to ship the vaccines. Can you imagine if suddenly, all good, studies in, emergency authorization approved, we're ready to start vaccinating the population but oh oops, glass vials are out of stock everywhere due to world-wide competition so we can't get the vaccine to the people?

I do firmly believe that all things considered, the bad parts of Trump's response / lack thereof / undermining of containment measures outweigh the good parts. But the good parts are undeniable. And not only the Warp Speed Initiative (which was indeed a gorgeous initiative) but other things too, like twisting the arms of 3M to allocate more N95 respirators to the domestic market, support for New York City with a Navy Hospital Ship when the system there was about to break, securing most of the world supply of remdesivir for the use of American hospitals, supporting monoclonal antibodies, and so on and so forth.

Basically, Trump sucked in terms of epidemiological containment and the overall message (a lot of people died for not taking this seriously since their idol wasn't) and is now making the transition to the new team difficult, which is utterly irresponsible and callous, but did well in terms of therapeutics and vaccines. With exceptions, of course (the push for Hydroxychloroquine was a disaster). Overall I believe that the bad outweighed the good.

But again, denying and minimizing the good is not helpful. It's actually unhelpful, because it diminishes the moral authority to criticize the bad.

 

exactly the same, Biden will be using government $$$ to distribute the vaccines, so he gets credit for the vaccine right?

 

Actually, no. Pfizer is doing their own distribution. They opted for that. And Moderna is using McKesson SupplyManager which has already been funded by the Warp Speed Initiative to distribute the vaccine.

Anyway, I feel that it is useless to continue to discuss this part with you. You are hell bent in denying the good parts of the Trump Administration's Covid-19 response, and I can understand it given how frustrating the bad parts are (and how frankly dangerous and lethal they are), but I can't agree, so, let's agree to disagree on this. We agree on a bunch of other stuff. Cheers.