Electoral College chooses the President

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  1. Crcata

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    The poll shows more about the character of people more than anything. People only like democracy when they win. Otherwise they hate it and will try to justify ignoring it. The electoral college is how we decide, and it is a much better method than using the popular vote. The Electors should represent the people of thier states. And I'm sure they overwelmingly will.

    People will be angry. They will get over it. Life moves on.
     
  2. Hoosier8

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    The electoral college voted Obama two terms. Now they complain.
     
  3. Mandelus

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    Your discussion here and in other threads about popular voting and electoral college is ... sorry .. superfluous and ridiculous!

    before you discuss such things, make fist a proper voting system which guarantees that in every of the 50 states only US citizens are able to vote!
    What do I mean? How the hack can it be that you have in this and that state not to show your US identity card or passport to legitimate you as US citizens when wanting to give your vote at the election centers?
    How can it be that here and there only the driving license is enough ... which can right there also be earned by Non-US citizens if living legally as foreigner in the USA (not to include illegals)?

    Clean up your system before you start to discuss other things ...
     
  4. Hoosier8

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    Why, according to the left that is racist. After all the left thinks minorities are dumber than whites.
     
  5. Mandelus

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    Tells who from the left that it is racist to show a proper ID to be really US citizen = being by law allowed to give a vote?

    You have to show and proof your ID for every BS in life to verify that you are you, so why not at election please?
     
  6. garyd

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    varies by state. In many you are required by law to follow the dictates of the popular vote in that state. Note people vote for slates of electors not the president. Given that the electors are generally party activists the likelihood of 21 of them changing their vote is all but nil especially so when - as previously stated - a number of them cannot legally do so.
     
  7. garyd

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    easy his candidate didn't win.
     
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    Why would they vote for someone not a Republican? The electors for Florida are Republicans. Why would they vote against their own best interests? Some states require electors to vote for the state winner.
    But here's the killer, Hillary is still under investigation for the emails and even worse, for her 'pay to play' SOS scam. After Obama won in 2012, Hillary was the presumed candidate by the DNC and because of that, the Clintons wielded a lot of power. That power is gone now. How long before her cronies start to sing?
     
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    You understand that crooked Hillary is still under investigation right?

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    Let them secede, the Democrats will never win another national election without them.
     
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    [MENTION=62867]Ronstar[/MENTION] took a break from the forums to do some questionable stuff. He says he'll be back after Trump is sworn in.
     
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    A total waste of time, breath, paper, ink and bandwidth.
     
  13. erayp

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    Defining American liberals is easy – ignorance lacking morality compounded by bigotry. For all their talk about equality and democracy their true colors come out when they lose. Then everyone sees that they are not the people who believe in being fair, but are the tyrants.

    Now that they lost the election the spoiled little brats want to change the rules and get a trophy. No, they want to change the results and take the crown.
     
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    Whose candid didn't win?
     
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    I wonder if any of these civics geniuses even know how the electoral college works. There are 2 slates of electors in each state Democratic and Republican. What this so called petition would have to do is persuade 35 electors from States that went GOP to defect to Hillary. Not only that but 30 of the 50 States have laws preventing "faithless electors" by imposing penalties ranging from a fine to a felony charge. While faithless electors do happen on occasion you should remember most electors are selected by the political party for their party loyalty, and many are party leaders. To switch their vote to Hillary would not only possibly cause them to be fined or go to jail but would also be political suicide
     
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    Never mind the fact that faithless electors violate the will of the people.
     
  17. garyd

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    Whoever it was you were responding to likely to ronstad.
     
  18. RedStater

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    Ever watch baseball? They play all those games during the regular season and the teams who end up with the best records in each division, plus some wildcards, begin the playoffs that lead up to the World Series. They play best-of-five or best-of-seven games series culminating with the World Series, in which the National League champion meets the American League Champion in a final best-of-seven games series. The first team to win four games is crowned World Champion for a year. All the teams know these rules before going into the season - and they accept the rules.
    Let's say that the National League team wins games 1, 2, and 3 by scores of 10-0 in each game...but the American League team wins the final four games by scores of 1-0 in each game. Now...the National League team scored a total of 30 runs, whereas the American League team only scored 4 runs.
    Do we crown the National League team World Champion by virtue of the fact that they scored more runs? No - we do not. The goal is to win four out of seven games.
    Trump won those four games - PERIOD! More specifically, he will end up winning 30 states to Clinton's 20 states - or 60% vs. only 40%. The final electoral tally will likely end up being 306 to 232 - or 57% of the electoral votes...which is pretty close to the 60% of the states he won.
    Donald Trump isn't my favorite person on Earth, but that's our system, folks - and both sides knew the rules before the umpire shouted "PLAY BALL!"
    We have that system for a very valid reason - regardless of whether or not any of us like it. Our Founding Fathers were wise enough to warn us of the perils of a "democracy" - that's why they gave us a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC!
    We are not now, nor have we EVER been a democracy! We started of as a confederation of states after we declared our independence, then we ratified our founding document: The United States Constitution. Take a look in our Constitution; NOWHERE will you find the word "democracy" or any variation thereof! The reason is simple really: Our Founding Fathers were smart enough to actually LEARN from history, (You know...ancient Greece and all?), which has proven time and time again that democracies fail under their own weight due to empty promises made to a largely UNINFORMED and APATHETIC public who are easily swayed by the illusion of some sort of grand Utopian existence...if you'll just vote for us. Leftists truly believe that socialism has only failed because THEY weren't the ones running it! Socialism and/or "democracies" fail because the very concept of a purely "majority rules" system is a failure!
    That's why we were given the Electoral College. It guarantees that the people all across our Nation from the smallest towns to the big cities have their votes count on more of an equal footing than simply allowing the large population centers to control a majority vote cast by collectivists who congregate with ONLY like-minded others.
    Liberals are always (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about our system - especially when it works against them. There is a solution, however: change it! All you need is 292 Representatives in the House to approve a change...and 67 Senators to approve a change...and 38 US States to ratify the change - and POOF! - it becomes a Constitutional Amendment and you'll get your way, my precious little cupcakes!
    But here's a warning you might want to heed: BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR!
    Majority Rule is MOB RULE, folks! That's why we, as a Republic, don't operate that way. It might be hard for an infantile mind to understand this, but some things are in place for your own good...even though you may not like it at first - or ever!
    What will you do when a different mob that you don't like takes control because of your precious majority vote?
    Yep - you'll want to change it back again.
    You know you will - but it will be WAY too late.
    WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
     
  19. RedStater

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    Wow! I guess I didn't fully realize that clear, concise facts are such a turd in the punchbowl!

    Oh well, you know what they say: A democrat's worst nightmare is the truth.
     

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