Electoral College - final count Predictions?

Exactly...Im wondering when Mr. Bruce "born in the usa" Springsteen is going to leave the nation so he can be a idiot somewhere else. At least then he will have more material to sing about other than how crappy jersey was. Maybe a third world country in a mud hut so he can see jersey wasnt so bad after all. James Faylor can take the turnpike from stockbridge to haiti while we are at it.

 

Either way, it will be fun seeing which elector tosses his career in the garbage because of his feet stomping spoiled brat upbringing.

 

So, sometimes it behooves us to have objective, empirical data as a reference. Especially in matters where subjective, ideological bias strains to distort reality and shape the picture.

 

If one Republican chooses to march to the beat of a different drummer as a matter conscience, it will have negligible impact. Of course, if the reality tv performer transforms the nation into Trump® U, Chris Suprun will be receiving the GOP's Cassadra Award, posthumously.

 

I hope one does, then we can hold democrats feet to the fire for interfering with an election. The same claim they are up in arms about russia at the moment.
We should also put every damn one of those actors on trial for interfering in a presidential election.

 

According to some news reports we know one Trump faithless elector in Texas stated he wouldn't cast his vote for him. We also know there were three faithless Clinton electors in Colorado which a federal judge ruled they would have to cast their electoral votes for Clinton or be replaced with someone who would. There were also one of two in Oregon and Washington who wanted to cast their electoral votes for someone else other than Clinton as a protest.

That about sums up what I read and pieced together, although this information is days old. I think you could have as many as five. If those in Washington and Oregon do as they have stated they were planning on doing, that would drop Clinton by 3 or 4. But I am guessing they won't.

I will go along with you, one or two Trump faithless electors. Since you took one, I'll take two.

 

Taking into account the 5 to 6 million voters who were unable to vote or never got their vote counted for a host of reasons caused by voter suppression, Clinton's margin of victory would have been better than the last election that went to Obama. This should have been corrected yesterday.

 

This is hilarious!

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Trump didn't win and the country knows it. 1.1 million illegally purged, mostly minorities, lost their right to vote. 75,000 missing votes in Michigan because the security machines were turned off, would have gone to Clinton. Ohio was lost because of crosscheck and having only one poll opening in cities with high concentrations of blacks. Crosscheck was discovered in Alabama and Arizona as well. If this had been an honest election Clinton would have won easily.

 

It's a fact that this election was between two very disliked candidates that close to 60% of Americans disliked one or the other and didn't want one or the other to be their next president. Those who disliked both candidates was put at 25% of all Americans per Gallup, 22% per YouGov. So this election was between two unwanted candidates.

Trump out campaigned Hillary, especially in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. From 1 Sep to 8 Nov Trump held 117 rallies or campaign appearances nationwide, Clinton totaled 71 and a lot of those was fund raisers in deep blue states. Trump inspired his supporters, they were energetic, willing to go to the four corners of the earth for him. Clinton was a ho hum candidate, thinking she was next in line and would become the first woman president, that the presidency was her right. She was also dull and boring. She inspired but a few. Still she had the advantage, according to Gallup Democrats out numbered Republicans by a 32% to 27% of the electorate. She had that blue wall in the electoral college and the two highest electoral college vote states of solid blue California 55 and New York 29 in her hip pocket. So what happened?

Independents which made up 40% of the electorate went for Trump 46-42 with 12% voting for third party candidates. Those who hated both candidates which Gallup put at 25% of the electorate or all Americans also went to Trump by a 47-30 margin with 23% voting third party. In fact 8 million people voted third party this year even though they knew they were voting for a candidate with no chance to win. They disliked both candidates that much. Less than two million voted for third party candidates in 2012, 8 million this year. A four fold increase, these people decided the election by not voting for or choosing between the two major party candidates. These people hated both and didn't vote for the candidate they hated the least. The lesser of two evils.

The media, most of us concentrated on how much the people disliked Trump, but we paid little attention to how much they disliked Hillary Clinton. It's true Clinton won the popular vote, but in the three key deciding states she failed to visit Wisconsin even once, Trump was their six times. In Michigan she went there only once, Trump five times. she was just plain out campaigned there. She took those states for granted. That blue wall was and is still there. But it was Obama's blue wall, not Clinton's It probably is almost any other Democrat's blue wall in the future, but it wasn't Hillary's. Yep, we all over looked how much of America disliked her, didn't trust her, didn't want her, we were too busy looking at Trump.

 

If you take into account the votes never counted because of crosscheck, having only one polling station open in mostly minority areas where untold hundreds of thousands never got to vote, retrieving the untold thousands of absentee ballots that the souls to the polls were instructed to fill out in Wisconsin, even though these folks were never absent,counting the 75,000 in Michigan where the security machines were suddenly turned off, we would be looking at a flip side to the electoral college going to Clinton.

 

yeah thats usually how elections work. If people dont show up to vote for their candidate the other candidate usually wins.

 

Some states have it set up that if the elector doesn't vote for the state popular vote winner (or doesn't vote at all) than the elector is immediately replaced.
So really it's just not likely that Trump can lose 37 electors.

If Trump had lost Michigan and Pennsylvania (but still won Wisconsin) the count would be 270 to 268 Trumps favor.
Then we'd have a chaotic fight in the electoral college.

 

Going off on your own philosophical voyage I see and not once did you challenge the facts and the math that prove Trump didn't win. What Greg Palast did with his genius in investigative journalism uncovered the truth. It's obvious that no one on this forum has what it takes to take Palast on. His math and the investigative truth he uncovered is untouchable for the Right.

But thanks anyway. Your philosophical perspective was interesting. Too bad it doesn't do a thing to challenge actual math.

 

Are you are upset that America's intelligence services concur that a foreign agent has undermined the integrity of the US democratic process, and that Majority Leader McConnell and House Speaker Ryan have expressed their resolution to investigate the perfidy?

Putin and Trump and their abject disciples seem desperate that the violation of America's sovereignty be ignored, but that isn't going to happen.

The soulmates won't be able to dance their way out of it.

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Too many Republicans are on to them.

 

I heard that there was one not voting for Hilaria . That will offset the one not voting for Trumpeizda!

 

Don't forget Ohio. He lost there as well. Untold thousands of illegally purged voters couldn't vote, and in cities like Cleveland for example there was only one poll opening that didn't give minority voters time or a place to vote. And if Hillary wins Ohio, she wins the election. The election was stolen and Greg Palast proved it.

 

You guys do realize that the Constitution does not require that the EC 's vote for who won their state or county in the two states where that applies. As I said a couple times there will be one "defection" from each of them so the LICE. Defector will cancel the Hillaria defector. WASH ,

 

You heard? Lol!

 

Nope just waiting for the crybaby left to actually show congress their evidence before we attack russia. You do want the evidence to actually be looked at before we start another war right? It would be real easy for me to bring up all the anti bush war posts and point out your hypocrisy if you dont agree. Dont ya think?

 

They must be very polite voters. I went to vote with my family in Lancaster Pennsylvania. If we had been prevented from voting we would have made noise. I guarantee you'd have seen us on the news yelling about losing our right to vote.
The idea that "thousands" of people in Ohio where prevented from voting and yet they didn't march through the streets in protest is ummmm well... like I said, those people in Ohio are very polite.

 

There are a plethora of retrospective perspectives that one can promote for the outcome of any election, and when the winner falls short of the loser by 2.8 million votes, it complicate the explanations/spins/excuses.

The prevailing Zeitgeist does not favour establishment politicians of either party, but given the migration of White males without college degrees from the Democratic nominee to the Republican novelty in determinative states, I would emphasize the failure of Clinton & Co. to address the needs of this aggrieved demographic.

If Trump can make good on his hype and restore America's high-paying manufacturing jobs and resurrect the steel and coal industries, he will have justified their support.

If not, it still worked for him, and they cannot sue as if they were Trump® U alumni.

 

There is no relationship between your counter argument and mine. My argument applies to those who did show up while their vote was never counted or were deprived the right to vote because of an illegal purge. Counting those votes, Hillary wins! Try and keep up with the real argument instead of inventing one of your own.

 

Your counter argument doesn't make any sense. When did I say a voter who showed up to vote, got to the poll in time to vote, was deprived the right to execute that vote? I didn't, but you did. The Republican apples around here never seem to fall far from the tree with all these made up stories.

 

You said "untold thousands of illegally purged voters couldn't vote."

I said those voters who couldn't vote were very polite for not making noise about it.



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Why would an apple fall far from a tree? That's not how gravity works.