Electric Cars

I don't have an EV and doubt I ever will they don't make any that suit my needs.

 

Asinine strawman bovine excrement ignored for obvious reasons.

 

In other words you have run out of facts, have nothing to contribute and then drop to the level of making childish threats.

But that's typical considering your posting history.

 

You are ignoring reality. "You are trying to compare only the part after that electrical power is created with the entire process in the internal combustion engine."

 

All that math based upon the FALLACIOUS ASSUMPTION that the EV MUST be FULLY CHARGED from ZERO every single day!

The average commute is 16 miles one way which is 32 miles a day.

Now do the math and PROVE that solar is incapable of providing a 32 mile charge in a day.

 

Ironic coming from someone who cannot distinguish between a strawman and an ad hom!

 

That would be YOU since that is YOUR asinine strawman, not mine!

 

Which has driven the cost of NG way up.

 

Yet another attack, very typical, no facts the more he attacks.

And using emoji's to make a point is very immature.

 

Do you understand what a strawman is? That is when a hypothetical situation is portrayed to make a point. This is not a hypothetical situation. If you are going to use electricity, it has to come from somewhere. it does not just magically appear out of thin air. That generation requires power, just like the power in an internal combustion engine.

If you want to take it all the way back to the raw materials and do it that way, the simplest way is to simply use cost. That is life cycle cost. Generally, an electric car has a higher life cycle cost. That might change, but for now, the cost of the car plus operating expenses is more than you can save over a reasonable amount of time. For example, the Chevy Volt costs over $33,000. That is for a very small car. I can get a bigger Toyota Corolla for about $20,000. I can buy enough gasoline for about 180,000 miles for $13,000.

 

Repeating your asinine strawman does not alter the FACT that it is still a STRAWMAN and being ignored for OBVIOUS reasons.

 

Then ignore. Of course, the obvious reason is that you do not know what you are talking about.

 

You nailed it.

 

RE: Electric Cars
⁜→ Derideo_Te, et al,

The idea of a Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) is not such a bad idea. But most of the engineering schemes tend to revolve around a single power system that needs to be recharged periodically.

Lots of problems with that single-minded Engineering scenario. Even the idea of a Hydrogen Power Cell (oxygen from the air and compressed hydrogen) which exhausts water has some significant drawbacks.

(COMMENT)

Such vehicles are dependent on horsepower. For instance, a commercial 18-Wheeler with a 48' Trailer (unrefrigerated 85K lbs cargo) can require between 1500 ft/lbs to over 2200 ft/lbs of torque generated from a 250 horsepower up to 650 hp horsepower. Also, the effects of altitude and terrain make a difference in the performance. Yes, many people could get along with an A-segment || City car || Minicompact for general purposes; however, most families would require a D-segment || Mid-size car to maintain their lifestyle. But for service and towing, as well as commercial and government purposes, many are going to need an up to a Crossover SUV. As you can see, there is a huge range of systems that are going to be required to consider, power duration, charge time, and output (horsepower and torque).

We are simply not there yet. And to get there, America is going to need something on the order of a focused new age Manhatten Project. And the brain-dead troglodytes on Capitol; Hill are not going to do that anytime soon.

It will not be just a single Scientific and Engineer breakthrough, but a compilation of successful projects being assembled to make BEV viable. And if any of you are part of the Scientific and Engineer community (SEc) you know that takes vision. And America is quite behind the power curve on replenishing the SEc.

​

America is NOT the leader of the free world. We are behind, and if you have traveled as I have, there will be no mistake that the international community sees America on the decline.

.........
Most Respectfully,
R

 

Average commute for people living outside of urban s-holes is 75+ miles per day and you are assuming the sun will be shining all day long which for months at a time here in Florida that doesn't happen.

Your ideas only work in a theoretical world, real people don't.

 

You seem to forget that requires laving the car at home to be charged during the day, as such the EV owner will need 2 EV's to be able to commute to and from work when charging one or the other with solar.

That is unless you can explain how to make the sun shine at night.

You didn't think that one through very did you?

 

Average commute for people living outside of urban s-holes is 75+ miles per day and you are assuming the sun will be shining all day long which for months at a time here in Florida that doesn't happen.

And they have a solar charger at work or work nights only.

Your ideas only work in a theoretical world, real people don't live in such worlds.

 

Redstone Arsenal is in Alabama where our space program was degeloped. They are launched from Florida. The missions are run and astronauts trained in Texas. The latest most advance warships are built in Alabama and Mississippi. We build the latest most advanced commerical aircraft. We mine and farm and build the latest best cars in the world.

I don't know what your point is every where has their special attractions.

 

Sorry, you are wrong.

 

And in the UK, especially the further North you go, solar panels are not worth a carrot. Your roof must face in a specific direction to have panels, and even then, they give a poor return.

 

You must have an southern exposure and regardless of where you are excepting near the poles there will be peak times of the year and poor times of the year.

That stated if one lives where it snows or freezes solar becomes a lot less useful, sometimes to the point of being an upside down investment.

 

Really?
Looks pretty low to me.

 

You are still stuck with NG selling wholesale at prices close to retail for gasoline.

That's not a good deal at all.

 

The cost of NG is not "way up."
It's currently $2.56 per million BTU. This is on the low side for the past 20 years. The lowest price it has been since 1999 was $1.77 in 1999. The highest price it has been is $13.05 in 2005 (before fracking boom).
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/rngwhhdM.htm

 

The Germans synthesized gasoline and oil during WWII using coal.