Elizabeth Warren Unveils $640 Billion College Debt Forgiveness Plan

You are right. I the more the government pays for college the more the costs will continue climb. Basic economics (supply and demand).

 

I have to disagree with you on this. We need to try to roll back liberalism whenever and wherever possible.

 

I have the solution for reducing tuition costs. Outsource the professor jobs to 1099 contractors.

 

Or, we could always dip into the nostalgia of Democrat "Vietnam", or "Balkans War". Plenty of blame to go around -- especially if you include the needless, horrific stupidities of getting us into both World War I and World War II (both easily avoidable, but Democrats decided to have it otherwise....).

*** Still, hell yeah, a lot of us would be willing to go along with Pocahontas' proposal IF (that's IF) she also agrees to send all of us who paid for our own educations without welfare handouts from the government at least $20,000 EACH to compensate us for what we had to spend out of our own pockets! How about that? It would be only fair -- and it would be a bargain! ***

This amount would be paid upon presentation of a valid college transcript proving graduation from a genuine four-year university (or longer, in the case of Master's Degrees and Ph. D's). And there would need to be no record of any prior welfare handouts for college tuition/expenses at all!

A proposed breakdown:

Bachelor's Degree -- $20,000
Master's Degree -- (only a REAL Master's Degree -- including a REAL Thesis) -- $35,000
Doctor of Philosophy Degree (Ph. D) -- only a REAL Ph. D -- including a REAL Doctoral Dissertation -- $45,000

So, if Dizzy Lizzy is gonna send me a check for $20,000 for my Bach. Science Degree (with honors), I'll vote for the silly old bag....
Why not? I've had to pay and pay and pay all my life -- why pass the opportunity to have the goverment pay ME to compensate me for me paying for MY own education?

I never took a damned DIME of government welfare handouts for tuition or anything else in my life, so if this goes through --
President Pocahontas -- CUT ME MY CHECK!

 

a degree is worthless if you cant find a job with that degree so to pay off your loans you got to get that worthless degree

 

This Pocahontas ides is just recycling the once ridiculed George McGovern plan to pay people $1000 to vote for him

 

Obviously there is no such thing as a worthless degree. Not every degree leads to some 9-to-5 drone job, you know.

 

Higher education needs to be more affordable than it is at present. Otherwise, we'll have to keep relying on immigrants and guest workers who did get a free higher education before coming here to do jobs Americans aren't qualified to do.

 

worth is measured not what you think has value but what someone else thinks has value
and if your degree hasn't enough value someone is willing to pay you enough for having so to pay off the loan you got to get that degree then that degree is worthless
its like buying machine to manufacture a product but it cost you more to operate that machine then what you make selling the product it manufactures
that machine is worthless

 

Agreed. What do you think of my idea to outsource professors with 1099 contractors?

 

when universities stop paying these worthless professors teaching worthless classes like lesbian underwater basket weaving then the price will come down

 

I paid for my college by working at night in a factory. One of my sons paid for his college via multiple infantry deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. Now liberals claim a right to "free" education that will be paid for by other people. Liberal demands for other people's money are an outrage.

 

Colleges can charge whatever they want because they know the students will get loans to pay the tuition. How about making schools justify their costs?

 

No matter what job you get, you should pay for your own college tuition, and your own personal expenses and other amusements YOURSELF without expecting the damned GOVERNMENT to have to get involved in any part of it.

Hint: NOBODY ever had a gun put to anyone's head and told them, "You must get a loan to go to college or we're going to KILL you!" Believe it or not, some of us actually WORKED OUR OWN WAY THROUGH COLLEGE, AND PAID FOR EVERY BIT OF IT OURSELVES!

 

The law of supply and demand should (if not for the student loans) make them justify their costs.

 

I think I may respectfully disagree with you on this subject....

I think the onus should be on the students to do their homework when choosing a college and a major ---- choose in-demand majors, and also compare tuition prices.

Colleges are simply operating on a basic supply-and-demand model. They can charge exorbitant rates (and offer stupid classes) because people are willing to pay.

If colleges began to see a drop in applications/enrollment, or a drop in enrollment for certain majors/classes, I think they would adjust accordingly.

Blaming the colleges because folks are willing to fork over $$$$$$$$ for a degree in underwater basket weaving is misdirecting the blame in my opinion. It's like blaming the bakery if you eat too many cakes and get fat.

JMHO

 

Oh, you're 100% right, the kids (parents) need to think the financing fully through before making commitments. I once saw a story about a college recruiter whose job it was to get kids and their parents to accept student loans (he didn't work for any bank, he worked for a college) and make them sound wonderfully affordable, especially when considering the bright future the kid will have with a degree from that school. As a parent, having your kid go to a prestigious might be a dream come true until the loan comes due.

And colleges are a business, but what about state colleges?

Here's an interesting fact you might like: The highest paid government employees in the country are college football and basketball coaches.

 

BULLSHIT! if this get's passed I want to be compensated for my College debt I paid back 30 years ago in fact everybody who's ever gone to college in the History of the United States needs to be paid back. I'm also identifying as a Gay Black Muslim Woman 100%, so I want Reparations and I also want to be compensated for all those years I was paid 75% of what those Damn White privileged Men were paid and I'm also going to demand payment for my emotional pain I've endured as a Lesbian and all the Islamphobia thats going on. Dang! I'm going to retire early.

 

You get a warped picture of the price of university in government subsidized countries because they pay for 80% of the degree then give you an interest free loan for the remainder, leading people to think they're getting their degrees for $20,000 when this is not true and a law degree at the University of Melbourne will in fact cost a comparable amount to a law degree at Harvard.

Universities have become day care centres for dependent 20 somethings. Increasingly large shares of their budgets are being spent on "student amenities" and the student administration, which is usually far left.

Most people currently at college should not be there and would not be there in the absence of misguided government policy.

 

Of course it does. Kalifornia is ripe for a US invasion and occupation.

 

I agree. Students want the college experience, so that's what they are shopping for. It includes: State of the art gyms, hotel-like dorms, mall food area-like dining halls, manicured lawns and landscaping, tons of student services... and the list goes on.

At my university, I know several administrators who joined at about the same time as me because they have children at the same age. They all started out with lower salary than mine (I am a full professor), but now make more, one of them double compared to my salary. It's not professor salaries that are creating the problem, it is administrative bloat and the increase of student services. Counselers everywhere, and that's on top of the increase in help by professors and TAs that I have experienced over the last 10 years.

Students could easily opt for lower cost colleges without any of those amenities. They don't, thus those colleges don't exist. It's the free market.

 

The right wants to make the poor wealthy, while the left wants to make the wealthy poor.

 

True dat..... I heard that Antifa will not let you in unless you have a gender, black, Islamic or women's studies degree. All that professional learning is valuable when bashing a person's head in with a brick.

 

If a particular degree/major is unlikely to ever pay for itself, you have to question the wisdom of borrowing (or loaning) money for it.

In the context of this discussion, this is what is meant by a "worthless degree".

 

For ever time the left whines about debt caused by overspending they freely engaged in, you just have to laugh. The burden of the debt is directly a reflection of the cost of the ridiculous management at universities that typically are run by.. the left. So, how about using their own methods of deep regulatory burden and cost controls on them then? Why shouldn't universities and colleges by restricted legislatively to ensure that higher education is both affordable, and effective?