Employers Should Not Be Able To Intimidate With Political Views

Things work pretty well right now there's no need to change

 

You can't show me how it's relevant.

 

And I do not doubt that at all.

 

Past changes too, and no, things work like **** right now

 

Well everyone that works gets paid for their work. And it only works like s*** if you don't want to work.

 

Its funny that people are still naive enough to believe that. I worked harder in service than I do in my white collar job. I think, deep down, all my fellow white collar folks know that we're here by accident and not merit. Why else do most others get so defensive?

 

That might be the problem you never earned anything.

 

threatens to do what?

 

You don't understand yet. "Earning" is irrelevant. Nobody deserves ****.

 

I didn't say deserving I said earning.

 

The world is full of idle rich and working poor. There is no karma. The market does not punish or reward.

 

If you want more work for it. Some cosmic force doesn't need too exist for that to be.

 

It doesn't matter how hard you work. Do you think the most backbreaking labour there is to be done would be working in filth and agony in sewers or with stone or in slaughterhouses and pay scraps if such a naive and transcendent principle were true?

The world is not a fair place, and you think it is

 

Unskilled labor isn't supposed to be a career.

Nothing will ever change that.

 

Why isn't it supposed to be a career? What obstacles is there to those people getting freed from their meaningless toil that can't be torn down with rage and violence?

If the world cannot be good enough, we'll destroy the world. Figure it out, because everyone who has been cast off of the shrinking ladder to safety from capitalism is getting more and more unhinged.

 

Its Unskilled labor.

None the obsticales are within.

Safety from capitalism? Capitalism has made the safety that everybody lives in here. We don't really even know poverty.

 

Why not. Employees can quit over the way the owner votes.

 

Capitalism is the monster from beyond that every existing social order tried to fend off through their taboos and traditions. And yet, it emerged from the future to construct itself in the past. Capitalism is stitched from the parts of dead gods, making all that is holy profane and all that is solid melt into air.

What can you call a system where debt itself is a commodity to purchase? A system where we sell images and ideas and pretend to work far more than we actually work? A system where increasing efficiency means that more people will be left unemployed and starving? Capitalism is a violent contradiction, an assault on a coherent world, a prion that, coming into contact with the world, twists the functional form into more of its own demented being.

I sound crazy because I literally don't know how to convey these ideas except through poetry. How do you talk about the abstraction of the economy, which is itself an abstraction of labour, which is itself an abstraction of exchange value? Capitalism has revolutionized itself so thoroughly it no longer truly depends on anything except the power of thought, which is why I treat it like an inhuman monster out of Lovecraft, because that's my only point of reference for something that powerful and incomprehensible.

 

Yawn socialist clap trap rants bore me.

Make believe.

Yawn more socialist posturing.

In other words capitalism ba-a-a-a-ad.

 

I didn't say that. Go back and reread the thread.

 

The Thread is about whether or not a company should be able to Fire a person for aspects of ones personal life.

Your answer was "The company decides - simple"... and previous to that you gave some criteria that was so subjective "something that harms the company reputation" that it could be used to fire someone for any behavior someone did not like.

So yes ... you did say that a company should be able to fire someone for aspects of their personal life which via coercion allows a company to dictate every aspect of someones personal life.

 

Perhaps in some other

Perhaps in some other universe- not on earth.
It is the unions that commit arson, extortion, coercion, and plot to destroy the employer that pays them, their customer.
I once told a couple who advised me that being on a particular job in their territory was dangerous, I might break my leg. When I explained that I was prepared for that with a Smith & Wesson insurance plan they changed strategy and blackmailed the owner of the project to force the issue.
Only thugs endorse thugs.
I refused to hire thugs.
I refuse to put anyone on my team whose head was against the team.

 

Oh, you're a bourgie. Makes sense you would hate workers having power.

 

Power over the company that belongs to some one else- you are right, the employed worker absolutely does not have that power and it's out of ignorance that he thinks he should. An employer is a customer buying the employee's services, and deserves to be respected for that just as you expect to be respected when you buy services from any seller, be it the grocer or a restaurant. The fact that they are paying for your services in no way makes them a social service agency responsible for you like you were a child and they your parent, and it in no way entitles you to think you therefore should control the business.

Employee's power over their own choices and conduct belongs to them. The right to quit if they don't like the deal they made belongs to them. Power to fire them if they don't honor the deal they made belongs to the employer. It's a business deal, and it only works with both people are happy. IF you are not happy, you have the unrestricted right to quit and sell your services to anybody in the world who will meet the price and conditions you demand- if you can find one. If you can't, that means that you are not worth what you think you are- and if you think they are all wrong, you have a great opportunity. You are free to go into business for yourself and prove it, and I highly recommend doing that.
It will be an education and make you a wiser and better person for sure.

 

My response was to whomever posted "who should decide what hurts a company" or something like that. I didn't say a company should be able to fire someone for their personal behavior. I will tell you now that a company should be able to fire anyone for any reason. Does that make you happy?