End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

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Should Affirmative Action be ended? Including diversity considerations.

  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 provided a very welcome END to officially-sanctioned race discrimination in this country. Excellent. All men are created and TREATED equally... except that thanks to disgraces like "affirmative action", all men weren't being treated equally after all!
     
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  2. Pollycy

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    Hey, I'll be honest enough to confess that if the dizzy old bag were to increase Social Security to levels that it should be, then I would be very inclined to vote for her. Why?

    I've had to live with REVERSE-DISCRIMINATION (a.k.a., "Affirmative Action") since the very early 1970's... and NOBODY in government or in a federal court did even one f*cking thing to get rid of it! So, although it is not how I like things to be done, "money talks and bullshit walks"! Money is not a replacement for JUSTICE, but, at least it is SOMETHING! Up until now, government has done NOTHING to stop reverse-discrimination! Thus, I'd get more money because SS was increased, and I'd continue to put up with the stinking injustice of 'affirmative action' -- just as I have had to do already for decades.... And now that I'm retired, it just doesn't matter that much to ME anymore, so, I'd take the money and puke all the way to the bank....
     
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  3. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    Dizzy old bag? I bet you don’t think you have a sexist bone in your body LOL You have a Disney bleached blonde old bag as your president who wears too much make up
    Tell us what you were denied only because you were a white male.It just breaks my heart how poor white men are denied the top colleges and corporations and any power in Congress. You don’t see a white guy they are so sad. Look at the Republican side of the house and all you see are blacks and women.LOL I think you’re just suffering from victim envy. You had everything to yourselves for hundreds of years and now you have to share the pie. Now you know how others might have felt but it was worse for us because we didn’t even get considered. But I think it’s very handy for white men who are failures, they can blame affirmative-action
     
  4. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_of_the_Univ._of_Cal._v._Bakke

    In 1996, Californians by initiative banned the state's use of race as a factor to consider in public schools' admission policies.[104] The university's Board of Regents, led by Ward Connerly, voted to end race as a factor in admissions. The regents, to secure a diverse student body, implemented policies such as allowing the top 4% of students in California high schools guaranteed admission to the University of California System[106]—this, it was felt, would aid minority inner-city students


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    Again think of the Asian applicant who must be super to get in
    around all those other Asians because they do tend to saturate campuses.
    So all that diversity manure really hits them hardest.
    Then maybe regular white men, #2 facing reverse discrimination.
     
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    Oh my .... you literally think it's 'luck'. Maybe Unicorns are involved also? How about magic? Black cats? Walking under ladders? You could not possible declare a deeper aversion to parental responsibility.

    As for my having no understanding of 'adolescent separation', do you have any idea who (as in, what my background is) you're talking to? Further, I would argue that not only do I undoubtedly know more, I also know a variety of iterations of the idea .. and yes, different cultures have entirely different understandings of the process, and how to handle it. If you don't even know that much, then you know nothing at all but your own cultural bias and comforting assumptions (given you've chosen the world's laziest and most irresponsible attitude to it - aka, it's 'luck').
     
  6. Pollycy

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    I worked full-time to put myself through the University of Texas, and after graduating with honors, was turned down for the first job I applied for that would have been using my degree, because I was the wrong color! The manager explained to me, quietly and in an embarrassed manner that they had to hire a 'minority' instead. You can believe it or not -- it is the truth!

    That's the thanks I got from a nation I had already served an enlistment for in the armed services during Vietnam Era, and honorably discharged from. To get a damned job like I wanted, I had to move to a part of the country where there weren't so many 'minorities'! I did, got the job I wanted, and then after two amazing careers, I retired comfortably -- NO THANKS TO THE HORRIBLY UNFAIR, COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, UNAMERICAN PRACTICE OF "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION".
     
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    You are painfully naive, Renee. Sorry, but it's true.
     
  8. Renee

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    I bet you the minority that he hired was probably just as qualified. I can remember things like that but I couldn’t even apply.mHow do you know the black guy didn’t have an impressive resume?
    I guess you didn’t notice the under representation of blacks and women but you sure noticed when you had to share the pie represented Let’s get rid of affirmative action and go back to being able to discriminate against people of color and women. The hell with diversity and sharing the pie
     
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    What in the name of Gandalf are you talking about. In Murica we have whats called the constitution and something called the civil rights act. Right, so by getting rid of 'affirmative action' according to you we get rid of all that too. Sure. Share the pie. You don't need sanctioned racism and sexism to do it. I'm sure MLK would like to scream in your face, who would then immediately be sued for harassment. Sorry, this called for a lot of sarcasm. I'm really not that angry. Just slightly annoyed.
     
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    You sound like you even believe in the "Blank Slate" theory. And since you brought up :
    Why don't you just go ahead and tell us what your credentials are, that you use to so arrogantly dismiss the multitude of factors that shape individual lives?

    No one said parents bear no responsibility for the outcome of their children's lives, but there can be no denying (with the exception of your flawed declarations), that many influences can come into play and children do not always turn out poorly simply because mommy and daddy made them do so.

    If that were true, your parents must have sucked because arrogance such as yours is not exactly a virtue.
     
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    Hardly an acceptable question when you have formerly stated:
    How dare you call out another member
    with: "have you any idea who your taking to, in terms of my credentials/background" when you flat out refuse to say what those are?

    If you insist on flaunting your superiority on matters of parenting, you must do better than brag about your secret credentials and your gifted children.
     
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  12. Renee

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    Oh my poor little victim of sexism and racism....
    They said the same things about MLK! The same rhetoric. Oh by the way he was alive during AA
     
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    Who are you talking to and what are you referring to?
     
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    You didn't get it. Why am I not surprised?


    Hint: MLK supported equality, not sexism or racism as are you.
     
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  15. Renee

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    I get it....I’ve heard that whining forever
     
  16. tealwings

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    Can you at least agree these programs were never meant to last forever.
     
  17. Renee

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    Yes....I also think it should be financial need
     
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    Except we never lived up to that concept. Affirmative action was never about "treating people better at the expense of others". All it did was force a change that some didnt like.
     
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    You are going in the wrong direction. lol
     
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    I was taking to Crank (use name checks out!), whom I quoted. Sorry, I realize she was talking to (at) you, when she posted "do you have any idea who (as in, what my background is) you're talking to?"
    It was not my place to reply, but there are so many instances of Crank insisting parents are the root of all evil and she is the ultimate authority on human growth and development (for reasons she cannot disclose ) I couldn't help myself. Sorry for any confusion.
     
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    The best candidate should get. The job or scholarship or whatever else it may be.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    “Are you of aboriginal or Torres Strait islander descent?”
    On Australian govt forms.
     
  23. Renee

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    But for hundreds of years the jobs and scholarships were denied to people of color and women. Now we need to level the playing field.You keep making it sound like women and minorities are not the best
     
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    I have an even better idea, Renee... how about we use the advice given to ALL of us by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (remember him?):

    Link: https://medium.com/the-mission/focus-on-character-or-color-m-l-k-vs-x-a4a61724b9e2

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. — Martin Luther King Jr.

    He dreamed that eventually there would be one America. An America where there was no black community nor white community, but only the American community Blacks were made totally (TOTALLY) equal in the eyes of the law and government in 1964 and 1965, as I have already pointed out. Securing EQUALITY is the responsibility of any decent, worthwhile government -- establishing a country where according to its laws and constitution, there are NO 'second-class' citizens, whether Black, White, or any other color....

    But, sadly, as long Blacks demand to have the goverment give them a 'reverse-discrimination' CRUTCH, they will always NEED it....



     
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    Ohh bullshit... i am not making it sound that way. Thats just your politically biased and wrong way of viewing me.

    Yes men and white men at that had an advantage. Now everyone wants the people they think are going to give them the best image or make them the most money.
    Everyone in our country has a relatively equal opportunity to make themselves into one of those people. There are no more systemic victims , no, there aren't.
     

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