End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

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Should Affirmative Action be ended? Including diversity considerations.

  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

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    18.4%
  1. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Who decides if bias has been shown?
     
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    I'm assuming there could be an authority tasked with investigating such things. It's certainly been done before.
     
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    I didn't say the government treated everyone equally. It never has. I said equality was a basic tenet in the foundation of the country. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
     
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    Thankfully, those days are long gone. There has been no institutional racism for a good while now.

    As for Congress, what's stopping more women and people of colour from working towards that end? I'd like you to specifically outline the laws which prevent them from doing so.
     
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    So you want to fix racism and sexism, with racism and sexism? Good work.
     
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    Now. 20 years ago it was your mark, and being able to string a sentence together.
     
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    Racial or gender discrimination is illegal. Bias is personal choice. How can you possibly 'police' bias?
     
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    Produced many good doctors I imagine.
     
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    Words mean nothing. Those same words were quoted during the times of lynchings, unionists being beaten by strike breakers, soldiers being used for drug experiments, rich draft dodgers avoiding military service, Native Americans having their land stolen from them for oil drilling, etc .
     
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    The same way you bust most people. Verbal or paper trails. A pattern of favoritism that ignores qualified candidates in favor of others. I don't care who is discriminating against who, if it's discrimination, affirmative action would be applied.

    I do agree it would be difficult to prove such things in general. But I believe that it is a better policy than forcing all to ignore better candidates to meet artificial quotas. I think we should trust that entities can make this decision for themselves before the state needs to step in and make it for them, which I support if bias is present.
     
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    Better, IMO. Some of the current crop are without that compassion driver. They're technically good, but lack the interest in the human behind the condition.
     
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    I can't agree. AA is a disaster for equality, harmony, and the advancement of those we think we're helping.
     
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    No , equality was never a basic tenet in the foundation of the country. Perhaps all men were created equal as it said but on the other hand black men were excluded.
     
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    Agree totes. Like nurses are now.
     
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    Why do you assume those who get special consideration are not qualified?
     
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    I never said they weren't. But since AA creates artificial quotas that must be met, while they may be qualified, others who are more qualified may have still been passed over to meet those quotas.
     
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    I think nurses are still pretty good, actually.
     
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    There is a much greater risk that they aren't, or at least if they are qualified, less qualified than another candidate who also applied. It also gives the ones with the advantage a clear disadvantage as the employer KNOWS about the non merit based advantage given. So they will place even more importance on the opposite side of the prejudice card, completely failing to solve anything.
     
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    If the 'entry standard' is lowered for them (as it is for women in engineering, for example), then CLEARLY they will be seen by potential employers are less able than those who had no slack cut.
     
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    Luckily for Medical Board examinations,
    one must be 2 Standard Deviations below the mean to FAIL.

    That be pretty darn low to FAIL.

    Are you ready to accept an assigned, like HMO physician
    who you suspect . . .



    Moi, M.D. ret. :oldman:
    You feel good, good. :woot:
    See a physician and gain a pathology.




    :nana: :flagcanada:
     
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    Not like twenty years ago. We have a lot of trained nurses who don’t like to do Basic Nursing Care because that’s “not their job”!

    I heard one girl say she didn’t clean up vomitus, or dispose of vomitus because she didn’t like to do it and someone else always did it for her.
     
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    Stop blaming Mommy & Daddy. It doesn't always come down to poor parenting.
     
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    If somebody is not qualified they should not have the job.I worked with the group and a mother was out raged because her son did not get into Yale and he was first in his class and a black boy got in. It turns out the black kid was fifth in his class. Would that make any difference? If he was at the bottom of the class then I would join her and her out rage
     

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