End the Scourge of White Supremacy

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  1. ErikH

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    Its not hatred to protect your home.
     
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    I am not worried about a society closing its doors to outsiders. Each society can make its choices on these issues as it sees fit from my perspective. Similarly, I would no more tell an African American father that he has no right to object to his daughter marrying a white person, than I would tell a white American objecting to his daughter marrying an African American. Those aren't the issues that trouble me and, in fact, on these issues, I find some of the political correctness in American liberal ideology to be misguided. And to be going too far.

    BUT: I do object to preaching hatred of any group, even if the purpose for preaching hatred is supposed to be 'protecting your home'. You should be able to preach protecting your home without preaching hatred.
     
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    Besides the hatred that I alluded to above as being objectionable, and self-defeating, the other aspect of "white supremacy" racism that I find troubling isn't so much the (often ignorant) assumptions about other 'races'. Instead, it is the insistence that those assumptions must be true -- and the attempt to make sure they are true!

    It is one thing, for instance, to have a general attitude that maybe there is something genetic that makes African Americans (on average) better athletes in certain sports. Or even better musicians. Similarly, to hold to the general assumption or impression that African Americans (on average) might not make the best math students. But that is not all the same as getting upset with, and finding ways to put down, an African American who is actually excelling in math much more than his white counterparts. Or, conversely, getting upset if a white American ends up being the best basketball player and trying to put him down. And, yet, that is what you often see with those who allow the ideology of racism to make their general assumptions into something they want to turn into self-fulfilling prophesy.
     
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    Stop it, will ya. There is no "white community" just as there is no "black community" or any other thing, There are individual human beings and everything else is a construct for convenience, an abstraction with assigned form but no substance, a ghost, like society itself. Eventually, at some point or another, people realize this and stop letting others manipulate them by chasing phantoms.
     
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    Will that last?
     
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    Of course. Just like family. It's a social construct.
     
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    Is that true? Didn't Muhammad Ali say blue birds with blue birds etc. Maybe he was onto something.
     
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    Quit being naive.
     
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    I think part of the reason most people left and right have to play this game of racial gymnastics is we can't simply acknowledge that evolution created different types of people in different parts of the world. Some taller, some faster, some smarter, some more aggressive. If you truly believe in science you must acknowledge this. It is unfortunate and very inconvenient, but it is the truth and can be easily observed. It is not a construct, but a matter of biology that goes beyond skin pigmentation and can be found in DNA (have you seen the new technology that can produce a portrait of a person based on their DNA?) The difference in DNA and anatomical structure from bones, muscle tissue, and even brain development result in different variations of people globally. Not to mention the recent discovery that Europeans and Asians in fact reproduced with Neanderthals. People are different. Race is real. It's science.
     
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    If I could like this 1000x I would. Well said! Bravo.
     
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    Quit believing in phantoms

    Show me the black race. Show me society.
     
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    I am not going to take sides on the extent to which 'race' is a biological or, alternatively, mostly a social construct. But I do object to attempts to attribute things to science which scientists might still be debating or even reaching opposite conclusions on.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
    Race Is a Social Construct, Scientists Argue
    Racial categories are weak proxies for genetic diversity and need to be phased out

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/
    There’s No Scientific Basis for Race—It's a Made-Up Label
    It's been used to define and separate people for millennia. But the concept of race is not grounded in genetics.
     
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    Racists, like all those who are attached to any dogmatic ideology, will embrace science only it is supports their dogma. The minute it doesn't, they will abandon science (and twist its teachings) in favor of their dogma.
     
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    As someone who grew up in the 1950's when it would have been unthinkable for Nazis to hold parades on the major streets of my town. The WWII vets would have something to say about that. Back in those days we lived in mortal fear of the communists not suspecting that the day would come when the Nazis would make a come back taking over the Republican party.
     
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    It isn't something that 'just happened'.
     
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    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin
    How Europeans evolved white skin
     
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    As for the so-called "Yamnaya people" who are the original speakers of the so-called "Indo-European languages" (I prefer to call them "Proto-Iranian Languages"), and whose genetic traits were most influential in some of the traits found in central and northern parts of Europe, this article introduces you to them. I quote from the part that is directly related to their physical characteristics.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture

    https://indo-european.eu/2018/05/eu...eoples-indo-iranian-expanded-from-east-yamna/
    Eurasian steppe dominated by Iranian peoples, Indo-Iranian expanded from East Yamna

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...europeans-immigrants-genetic-testing-feature/
    The first Europeans weren’t who you might think
    Genetic tests of ancient settlers' remains show that Europe is a melting pot of bloodlines from Africa, the Middle East, and today's Russia.
     
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    The Communists were a phantom, they evaporated when people no longer believed in them. The Nazis are back because we forgot that they were nothing but a metaphor, evil given form. There are no Nazis and there were no Jews, just innocent victims of vicious murderers who found advantage or satisfaction in killing children and their parents. Again, these things are ghosts we use to justify or even advocate doing harm to others, innocents who have done us no harm (look at the pictures of children waiting to die in the death chambers if you don't understand what I'm saying).

    Races, ethnicities, nations, societies; these are all convenient constructs without a doubt but we should never forget they are nothing more than that, none of them having the concrete reality of even one man's life
     
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    If those war vets could see what this place has become they wouldn't have fought. "Democracy" as it was hailed has only served as the vehicle to destroy the Western Man.
     
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    No, its not. But you need to actually read the article and a few others I posted beyond just the headlines.
     
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    I would think "Nazis" is just a construct for social convenience. Someone has manipulated you into chasing a phantom, I should think.
     
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    Yes, you forgot to extol any recourse but hate and division.
     
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    oops wrong thread. deleted
     
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    How will whites react? At the moment you will find gun sales are sky rocketing. People who normally would not be involved in politics are waking up and realizing that this isn't just a few people protesting. Who would have ever thought that the "Taliban" would infiltrate the Democrat Party? I guess the answer to Rodney King is "No, I guess we all can't get along". Shame.
     

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