End the Scourge of White Supremacy

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  1. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes there is something you are missing....you fail to see your own contribution to the problem.
    For instance the way you label things....
    Any attempt to improve society for all is referred to as a "death blow to Western Civilization".
     
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    Did we do this one yet?

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    My favorite comment "It’s like a how-to manual for how to live a solid middle-class (or better) life."
     
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    When white supremacy prevailed in the United States blacks tried to emulate whites. As a result their rates of crime and illegitimacy were much lower than they are now. The popular songs they wrote and sang were about romantic love, and even unrequited love, not raw animal lust, as is the case with rap music.

     
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    Some of this is valuable. Nevertheless, those who associate the hard edges of this message with Christianity have not read the New Testament, and especially The Sermon on the Mount:

    The Gospel According to St. Matthew 5:3-5 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    The Founder of my religion did not win at all costs to be Number One. He established his victory on the cross.
     
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    Many successful people are not competitive, in that they do not enjoy defeating others. They are very good at doing what others value.

    Also, beyond a certain point I see little moral significance in the distribution of wealth and income. Hard work, self discipline, honesty, and common decency will keep one off of welfare and out of prison. They will not make one rich. Many rich people have none of those qualities. Consider President Trump, for example.
     
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    Really?



     
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    The takeover we are seeing today has nothing at all to do with either White Supremacy or Black Power. It's the same old political battle older Americans have seen our whole lives since the end of WW2. Our country is losing today.
     
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    Absolutely. If you want a good manual on how to live a proper Christian life you can't go wrong with the Beatitudes.

    OTOH the reason the Romans advocated Christianity, (after a while) was that it's an excellent religion for slaves.

    And finally, saying that there is this separate "White" culture that believes in all these things is the most falsely racist thing you can do. ALL cultures believe in those things. Every. Single. One.

    Go ahead, find where you have any other culture and how they don't believe in goodness and kindness and fairness etc and see if you're not pretty soon just saying they're all evil bastards.
     
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    White supremacists do NOT represent the entire nation.
     
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    This is sort of correct. Great book on this:
    Suicide of the West: How the Rebirth of Tribalism, Populism, Nationalism, and Identity Politics is Destroying American Democracy Hardcover – April 24, 2018 by Jonah Goldberg (Author)
    He reviews history and where the state came from. If you were eeking out a living on the land, you had to worry about roving gangs robbing you of everything. Or you could have a stable gang (Government), robbing you of a sum certain and would protect you from the roving gang.
    We are very lucky. No one assured us that human rights would ever be a thing. That the enlightenment would steer our society towards liberalism and humanitarianism. And our story is not over yet. Things can go far south from here.
     
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    I did NOT say they did.
     
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    Gangs and bad influence.
     
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    Jonah Goldberg has ZERO credibility!

    Sad!
     
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    Strange how that IMPLICITLY came across LOUD and CLEAR!
     
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    White guilt is as foreign to me as measles is to a healthy immune system.

    Most of my ancestors were confederate but were dirt poor and could never have afforded a slave anyway. They worked their asses off.

    I have nothing to feel guilty about!

    BLM wants something for nothing and I refuse to oblige them!
     
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    Not so strange, you just found what you were looking for.
     
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    From your link:

    On Tuesday I tweeted a clip of Nick Cannon spewing his wildly racist belief that white people are "a little less," "closer to animals," "the true savages," who are "acting out of a deficiency, so the only way they can act is evil" while celebrating noted anti-Semitic scumbag Louis Farrakhan.

    Can you make head or tail of this garbage?

    Fact: we are all tribal and "racist".

    That's the human condition; as individuals we are driven by (partly) unconscious competitive greed and instinctive SELF-INTERESTED survival mechanisms. That's the nature of life on earth, originating in a food-chain of species predating on other species.


    But the RW deny this, resulting in nonsensical (instinct driven) claims that individual "freedom" requires acceptance of war and poverty as the natural order of things. (The LW are generally more conducive to international law, multi-lateral institutions, and economic co-operation etc. )

    Now, all races have individuals with a range of abilities.

    Black races generally came late to the "civilisation" process which began in the great river valleys of Asia and the ME.

    Fast forward millenia: 'blacks' in Africa, Australia and the Americas were discriminated against (shot or enslaved ) by more technologically advanced Europeans who began colonizing the globe.

    Now, at this stage in history, it's time to move beyond notions of racial superiority/inferiority, and consciously develop political and economic systems based on rational co-operation, rather than irrational competition.

    Get rid of those black ghettos. They are a disgrace to our common humanity. Employment for all is THE defining feature of an economy that works for all. Neoliberalism can't achieve it? Well change it.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...litical-divide.569365/page-28#post-1071877119

    Forget the nonsense about race.

    And as for "reverse racism........" gimme a break....
     
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    If it wasn't there I would not have been able to find it.
     
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    George Will dies not use the term reverse racism but rather uses compensatory discrimination which is far more accurate legally.

    In the US what they now have is affirmative action, grade inflation, minority set asides in government contracts, the election of an African American as an American president which would not have been possible without white support, a sense of terror in the workplace of not hiring African Americans regardless of their credentials or of letting them go even with cause. They also saw the exoneration of OJ Simpson who murdered two white people to appease mobs of rioters.

    So to speak of White supremacy is to speak of a time long gone.

    A Black man walking through a white neighborhood late at night is much safer than a white man walking through a Black neighborhood at night.

    That is just a fact!
     
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    As is said in this debate, Black, White or any other ethnicity is not the issue. The issue is who stands up when a country which has forever spoken of itself as 'free' is moving towards a Police State. You are either for that or against that.



    I notice our (UK) news is not reporting the ongoing protests and the response of the Police in the US and I am guessing this is pretty world wide as Governments try to stop the people of their countries from coming together against oppression. The UK even had a Policeman copying the US and standing on a black man's neck the other day. Capitalism has always walked close to fascism and that is particularly true when it as a economic system is failing as was the case in the 30's and as is the situation now. It is not black or white. It is whether you believe in living in a Free, Democratic Country or whether you are attuned to fascism and are supporting that coming into being. It is about values.
     
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    Don’t forget the excesses from the left. French Revolution to Mao and Stalin.

    Fascism is not the problem. authoritarianism is.
     
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    The US revolution was LIBERALS rebelling against the authoritarianism of the British Monarch.

    So according to you our Founding Fathers were committing "excesses from the left".

    Kneejerk denialism response in 3...2...1...
     
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    Nope I agree
    Much of the American founding experience was based on what we now call terrorism.
     
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    You are very good at interpreting code that even the authors don't recognize.
     

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