End the Scourge of White Supremacy

So you have some fascism you like. Like to give me a link to your non authoritarian fascism so I know where you are coming from and that is the authoritarianism which the West is currently meeting.

 

I think the Antifa movement is evidence enough of the health of the radical left.

You appear to despise capitalism. Can you give me an example of a non capitalistic system that did not result in authoritarianism?

 

That lack of recognition has been scientifically studied and documented.

https://www.psypost.org/2020/06/stu...are-less-racist-than-the-average-person-56991

 

Racism is merely thought and as such deserves it’s place in the marketplace of ideas.
I support even the radical racist ideology of Eldridge Cleaver and Louis Farrakhan. No matter how wildly offensive to me

 

You seem to be trying to change the subject each time you answer. Is this you saying that because you hate Antifa you support fascism and authoritarianism. Would it not be true that you supported Fascism and authoritarianism before Antifa came along and that somehow you believe this is an acceptable excuse.

I do despise Neo Liberalism. No doubt about it. It is an economic suystem which can no longer provide a decent living to the majority of the people and a system which works by creating inequality and poverty for the masses. You however must be responding to my saying that fascism works easily with capitalism. That is a known fact and as I told you was the position the last time that capitalism was on the edge in the 1930's just like we see signs of it coming back today when the economic system has again failed.

I can tell you that Capitalism without regulations and restrictions only leads to authoritarianism. That is what we have found repeated. Capitalism is not a democratic System. I believe in Democracy. Now we were doing quite well with our move into Democracy in the UK when we were working on Social Democracy but as soon as sufficient people had died that Thatcher thought she could get away with bringing back in the system which led to WW2, she and Reagan got started. Our Democracy died. Problem with Capitalism is that in order for it to co-exist with Democracy it is the responsibility of the Government to put sufficient restrictions on it so that it does not develop Monopolies and Oligarchs which would result in a situation where the Government would need to serve the wealthy elite, not the people. We understood and put in those restrictions after WW2. Around the time of Thatcher and Regan we were beginning to believe co-ops were the way forward. Corbyn was interested in them. Had he been elected when a business was being sold they would have had to give first chance to the workers of that business. Blue and white collar. If they did want to buy it, the Government would have loaned them the money to buy. The business would then belong to all of the workers for the time they were working there. They would be the people making all the decisions. They would still be acting in a capitalist system but they could also be working in a democratic manner.

It all depends on your values. I have come to believe that the only system which will allow for democracy is Democratic Socialism.

 

You are presenting a false choice. If you don’t oppose capitalism you are a fascist. Mao snd Stalin killed more than Hitler so the left is no defender of humanity and no less authoritarian.
And you don’t appear to want to answer what anti capitalist system has ever not sunk into authoritarianism. Modern examples include Castro and Chavez.
Amnesty international has been clear that human rights abuses are almost equally divided between left and right but you seem more forgiving of the left.

 

Society is not obliged in any manner towards accepting and/or tolerating the prejudicial HATRED of IRRATIONAL bigots towards others.

Having racist thoughts leads to racist actions like name calling which causes harm to society as a whole.

I recently had a post deleted for using the term "white trash" which is racist terminology in exactly the same manner as calling blacks "thugs" is racist terminology. Using those terms is antithetical to a fair and just society.

So no, I disagree that racism has any place in the "marketplace of ideas" except as an example of how it leads to CRIMES against Humanity like the Holocaust, Jim Crow and Apartheid.

In essence you are arguing that it is acceptable for pedophiles to have thoughts about molesting minors because they "deserve their place in the marketplace of ideas". That is NOT how civil society operates.

The concepts exist but the actions that ALWAYS accompany those concepts by those who erroneously deem them to be "acceptable" cannot be condoned or accepted because to do so is to step out onto the slippery slope.

 

Name all of the human rights abuses committed by Social Democratic governments like those found in the EU nations.

 

Just like with everything else you have suggested I said I never said this. You need to stick to what I said rather than continually changing things otherwise you are just wasting people's time.

 

There have been too many examples of degenerate thinking (one might remember the Nazis in this instance or Stalin’s Gulags or Mao’s re-education camps) all claimed that bad thoughts lead to bad actions so these are your heroes of protecting golden truth.

I believe in justice Brandeis view that in all open thought good speech will always crowd out bad thought.

sunlight is the greatest cleanser.

In your ethical world it will just be driven underground and left to fester and accumulate and will emerge in a more wild form.

 

Then don’t read my posts and certainly don’t respond to them. And you are making the decision for others that I am wasting their time. I find that arrogant.
Now please describe for me a political system you find ideal unless all you want to do is complain about the present ones.
Present something constructive and practical, if you can!
We are all waiting with bated breath for your version of Plato’s Republic!!

 

The CURRENT degenerate thinking can be found in the Traitor-in-Chief and his racist supporters.

How did they emerge from their festering underground and take over our nation?

How did their bad thoughts result in them gaining the power that they have today?

 

Yes, and then again, no.

The history of the South is mostly 'bad speech', cheating and violence killing any semblance of democracy, much less 'good speech'.

Justice is always an attempt to balance competing interests and rights. So you do have a point. But absent regulation, it slides towards violence and crazy. Which is what's been going on for a generation. The country started re-segregating in 1989.

The thing that is astonishing about racism is, if you study it, is how much of it there is, and how virulent it could easily become.

 

Yep, so let’s quash free expression.
What specific penalties do you have in mind?

 

Again, law is an attempt to balance competing rights and interests.

 

You are not being specific. What will this balance look like?
Hateful speech cannot be tolerated so what penalties should be applied?

 

Well, as long as it's scientific.

 

No Confederate flags
No Klan robes or hoods
No Swastikas
No Hammer and Sickle

All these are Federal hate crimes

Big fine first offense but suspendable. Mandatory psychiatric examination
1 year 2nd offense mandatory
10-25 years 3rd offense, discretionary
No guns forever after any convictions

 

What I want to know is if constituencies that are “anti fascist” are justified in calling for or practicing violence in the name of what they consider outrageous moral conduct.

More importantly are innocent people considered collateral damage in the service of a greater social good?

I support these entities free speech up until they commit violence and then I want them to be prosecuted under the full extent of the law!

Too bad they can’t support free expression to those that oppose their point of view!

 

So we just suspend the 1st amendment?

 

Hey if you want to obliterate racism why not have all children in public education be encouraged to report their parents when they express racist thoughts. Little spies in every household. Then the parents can be fined or arrested for child abuse.
That would work right? Orwellian but effective.

 

Your abysmal FAILURE to address these questions of mine with SPECIFIC answers establishes that you are not interested in any actual substantive debate.

Here they are again;

The CURRENT degenerate thinking can be found in the Traitor-in-Chief and his racist supporters.

How did they emerge from their festering underground and take over our nation?

How did their bad thoughts result in them gaining the power that they have today?

 

Depends.

That depends on a hundred different things. My interest is largely limited to talking about the need to strike that balance. Racism is not an English High Tea, sh*t gonna be ugly..

 

I get the feeling you're in it for the whine.