End the Scourge of White Supremacy

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    It does in regard to Presidential politics and answer my question please. Why are all you conservatives so against the idea of the people actually selecting the President?

    If you all hate democracy that much maybe you should move. I hear N Korea is lovely this time of year and they have a leader your Dear Leader has a HOT Bromance going with.
     
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    Good question.
    Answer it!
     
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    Strange how you are so afraid that CA might "rule" WY that you DEMAND that the EC gives more POWER to voters in RED states which means that they RULE OVER the Blue states.

    It appears as though White Supremacy DOES exist in that it gives Red States the POWER to RULE over Blue States.
     
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    Social distancing is essential to prevent the spread of c-19 so we must enforce it by law!!!

    Black lives matter protests do not practice social distancing but we must protect it??

    Do you not see the disconnect?
     
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    Of course White Supremacy exists. That's what makes America great. That is why the Third Worlders want to come here (or to other White Supremacist countries in Europe).
     
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    Yes, it is obvious. You have no counter-argument.
     
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    It only gives them power to govern themselves and to have a vote in who the President will be. California and Wyoming both elect their own members of Congress to represent them and their interests. The President is elected to represent all of us, all States and all of the population and it follows that all of us get a voice in who that will be. That is what the EC insures.
     
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    Again 21 million people in the north in 1861 only 6 million excluding slaves in the south. People stripped of their political voice Matter.

    Tell me If Hilary had lost the popular vote and won in the electoral college would you be anywhere near as critical of the EC?

    Or would you be defending it as the reasonable force that kept Donald out of power?
     
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    Your question is posed on a false premise, that citizens don't select the President but we do. States are given EC reps according to population and I am not aware of any States that don't require their EC votes to follow the popular vote in that State. Wyoming with their 3 EC votes doesn't dominate California with their 55.
     
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    Right now, I'd be listening to Trump's tweets about how we'd be better off to have a quarter million dead than wear mandated masks and agreeing with everybody that we really dodged the bullet on that one as I prepared to go to a bar party.

    In 2016 I'd be saying the EC was the thing we ought to have, just like you did with Trump. BUT I don't think Hillary would have claimed a "mandate" like Trump has, and I don't think I'd have ever agreed with "**** you, we won" as my general slogan for rapprochement

    In 2012 Trump advocated a violent revolution if Obama had won like he did in 2016. And, credit where due, I have heard him say in interviews that he doesn't think the EC is that fair, though he's not about the give the Presidency back

    In 2000 there was some grumbling when the same thing happened, but Bush didn't turn out to be nearly the disaster Trump's been, not really even close and Bush was still a BAD President.

    You Pubs are 2 or 0 in this Century (or 0 for 2? I hate sportcasting more than sports itself.) I hope you won't get another chance, I'm bloody sick of y'all
     
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    You do make a very good point.
     
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    Well there is that Quebec controversy.
     
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    First of all I oppose the EC but only because electors can vote against the wishes of their state. I think it should be virtual without electors who can be willful. That of course would also require a constitutional amendment as would my desires to eliminate the US senate and stop giving lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court. They should face re-election every two years like the House. I also think it’s weird that because someone was born in the US they have a right to citizenship just as I think Americans should be able to vote for any president they want regardless of where they were born.

    As far as masks go, they appear to not be that effective but a way to pretend that we can open the economy which saves face for the Democrats who learned the hard way that shut downs severely limit tax revenue which is the jewel in their crown.

    I do wear a face mask but mostly to make people feel more comfortable around me not because I think it helps in any real way. Also I’m super careful around seniors but I did this before c-19.
     
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    Citizens select the Electors but most of them do so on a winner take all basis. That disenfranchises everyone in those states who did not vote for the winner. That is blatantly undemocratic and there is no logical reason for it to be like that.

    Again, that is a State decision and not all states follow it. If more didn't this paradox wouldn't happen
     
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    Masks are totally ineffective at protecting me from you and much more effective (though not altogether) at protecting you from me, assuming I have the virus.

    I have been told several times that the N-95 masks (NOT the KN-95's or any other kind) are actually fairly effective at protecting everybody, and the thing I really can't understand is why the government isn't giving them out to everyone for free. They aren't nearly as expensive as the other things they've done and they would nearly certainly save many thousands

    But they wouldn't make a fortune for the My Pillow man, I guess. (his machinery makes things from cotton, which is KN-95, N-95 requires wool, which he can't handle.)
     
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    The nations of Europe and the US have become great in spite of white supremacy rather than because of it. History is clear on this.
     
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    I wear an n 95 mask.
     
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    I don't suppose you would care to explicate this history.
     
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    If your State is blue you sure as hell don't want some rogue electors switching you to red. Do you?
     
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    Actually some electors switched away from Hilary.
    That was wrong but didn’t change the election.
    Hilary was not liked or trusted as evidenced by her fellow senators who threw her aside for Obama!
     
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    The logical reason is it is intentionally undemocratic.
     
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    Some States allow it, most don't.
     
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    None should allow it but I appreciate the input
     
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    You might prefer NK yourself. They all vote for the same guy too, it's the law.

    I have answered your question a couple of times and I could answer it a couple more and you still wouldn't like it.
     
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    AU hates the US and that is his right but I won’t enable the foot stomping. Too adolescent for me.
     

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