English spies and their Yulia Scripal' :)

I can't understand English spies. This video shows how Yulia Scripal' speaks Russian. But every Russian understands that this text was written in English before and then it was badly translated. Dear English spies, why couldn't you hire a Russian native for writing this speech?

https://www.newstube.ru/m/1175444

 

ok so what should she have said... I thought it sounded untroll like clearly she should have yelled Hillary in the middle and then said deepstate at the end.

 

I fancy her something rotten!

 

Craig Murray says it all, I think. He's the only Brit properly investigating this whole affair. The media has become a joke.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/05/yulia-skripal-and-the-salisbury-wut/

Btw, I anticipate that this thread will soon be moved to a small barely visited sub-forum along with all the other previous Skripal threads.

 

She should say. Not English spies

The Russian embassy try to get admission to her, but Brits counteract this violating of the international law. They guard Yulia from Russian killers. But at the end of her speech, Yulia says that she wants to Russia back

 

I fully agree with you

 

sorry I'm still not clear about the part that should have been different, but I'll accept it was badly translated or at the least edited.

She looked fine to me, certainly not like she was under duress, besides she is still recovering. I believe in the end the British will respect her wishes, if she knows all that have happened and still want to return to Russia.... where she'll probably soon die from bad liver or suddenly be diagnosed with terminal cancer like her mother and brother.

I wonder if Russia knew the Brits had a cure for Novichok and thought it a good idea to test, perhaps even learn more about the cure....they're awfully desperate to get their hands on the Skripals

 

I've never heard of Craig Murray, but whatever he is, he sure is a smart cookie. I note this extract from the link text:

"How two people both touched the doorknob in closing the door is also unexplained, as is how one policeman became poisoned by the doorknob but numerous others did not."

If that doesn't give the lie to the whole Salisbury storyline, nothing will. And the question of why Putin risked 'assassinating' Skripal here in the UK, rather than wait until his arrival in Moscow (he had already asked if he could return) has never been answered either. These can suggest only two things - one, that the facts of a Russian assassination were incorrect/an outright lie, or that May's government over-reacted with incompetence to a breath-taking degree which has cost the British taxpayers billions of pounds in the Salisbury 'decontamination' exercise - which was completed 8 months ahead of schedule??

 

Murray used to be the British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, but revealed the torture used (with a nod and a wink by HMG) of the Karimov admin, and Blair told Straw to sack him. He still has excellent contacts in the FO and other departments of HMG.

And I agree on the doorknob bollocks, Cerb. It simply doesn't play.

It's increasingly evident that the whole Skripal affair was poorly contrived and executed and subsequently British spookdom has been racing to cover up its ****-up's, mistakes and fallacies - with the government D Notice placed on the media not to report on Pablo Miller -- Sergie Skripal's MI6 handler and "friend" who also lives in Salisbury -- being amongst the most revealing.

 

Thanks for all that, SH - I'll bet he isn't flavour of the month with today's HMG?? lol But then, 'mistakes and fallacies' have now been accepted as the narrative by the world and his wife, including the BBC, so how do they feel about being suckered I wonder?

 

Sadly, there is no cure (antidote) for Novichok, Witchy (HERE & HERE). Porton Down's Gary Aitkenhead confirms there is no known antidote.

The nerve agent was designed to be resistant to nerve agent antidote therapy.

 

It seems to me that being suckered results in a curious phenomenon. The suckered refuse to admit it.

The fact is that most people don't have the time or inclination to properly research/investigate for themselves and rely on the media for their information.

Misinforming and disinforming and outright lying is the media's special role today.

 

It's probably because they feel a bit sheepish to have fallen for it in the first place, so they'd rather go into 'denial' mode. A bit like the disciples of NASA in a way, whenever I try to show them the error of their respective ways.

 

Except for atropine, pralidoxime and diazepam.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/novichok-agent

 

I refer you to the two links I provided to Scarlet Witch above.

Porton Down is one of the leading CB Warfare Labs in the world and if they say there is no antidote you can take that to the bank. Gary Aitkenhead is the CEO of Porton Down and specifically stated in the linked article that "there is no known antidote for Novichok."

Ditto Vladimir Uglev, one of the principal developers of Novichok who, likewise, confirms there is no antidote and that it was specifically designed to counter all nerve agent antidotes (the second linked article).

I think it safe to conclude that a general article on Novichok does not carry the same expert weight as the head of Porton Down or the actual developer of Novichok.

Meanwhile, I'm re-posting (from an earlier post I made) a letter from Dr. Steven Davis, who is the Consultant of the A&E Department at Salisbury Hospital. He was, apparently, concerned at the nonsense being published by the British media about this event and wrote letter to the Times of London to correct factual errors surrounding this affair (and published on 16 March 201.

He specifically states that "no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only been three patients with significant poisoning".

The three patients referenced were both the Skripals and the policeman (who was likely a "Special Branch" officer). I note that Dr. Davis confirmed they had been poisoned but not by a nerve agent - because "no patients" had symptoms of said agents.

I hope this helps to clarify my above post.

 

Have not seen this interview. Apparently, she reads the text, but from my point of view, I do not recognize it as a bad translation from English. Sounds fine for me.

 

Well he's wrong, here's the treatment documented however in view of the remarkable success the British had in treating the Skripals and due to some agents being designed to be resistant to standard nerve agent antidote treatments.... I would consider they also did or used something else as antidote or treatment, or both.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/novichok-agent

 

It seems you are in Western environment too long...
Only two examples.
1. Could Russian say "deeply depressing" - "глубоко угнетающим"? It's a typical English phrase that I saw many times in the English Internet. But Russian doesn't translate the word "depression". He knows what it is without translation.
Кстати, депрессия у русских действительно глубокая. А вот угнетение сильное, ужасное, какое угодно, но не глубокое или мелкое
2. My priority is... It seems Yulia just visited some American training of personal growth Sorry, we never say like this even in Moscow

 

Just a cotton-pickin' minute - why 'smear the doorknob' with ahem, Novichok knowing that it might be Yulia who actually touches it to close the door behind them, with the obvious implication that she'd be killed instead of him? Another 'elephant-in-the-room' question?

Edit: And from scarlet witch's link . . .

"Novichok is reported to be 5–8 times more lethal than VX nerve agent and effects are rapid, usually within 30 seconds to 2 minutes."

So presuming the doorknob was the precursor, and that Salisbury city centre is more than 2 minutes distant from their house, how come they were still alive when they reached Zizzis?

 

as if this something new... a typical Western practice and narrative when they put words in others mouth. Russia has always been presented in the West like that since the 19 century, at least. Western powers even hired prominent Russian authors to disseminate texts and ideas totally alien to the average Russian that we Russians have problems with understanding up to this day.

 

It's just a part of the decline and fall of the West. Stupidity and insanity have become endemic, and I'm afraid our time is limited.

 

Maybe. If there are exist the medicaments that suppress (угнетают) for example central nerval system, why the treatment can not be depressive? Maybe it sounds not quite Russian, but there are a lot of constructions that came to Russian language from English. With regard to 2. Does Putin also visit American training of personal growth?
https://www.kp.ru/online/news/3037298/

 

OK, let we discuss this question. I prefer this kind of talk to political arguments.

Dear English speakers, is this phrase correct?

Only she is an alcoholic
But "supress" is not fully correct for угнетать. "Opress" seems better. For example Blacks are opressed by Whites in the USA (anyway Blacks think this way). Do you believe Yulia is intimidated by English spies? Did they tortied her???
By the way, novichok hits not the central nerval system. It hits just a nerval system. Person can't breath, move, etc. I am not sure that he thinks about his depression in that moment

Of course! For example G8. When he growed from G7 format he stopped it. But G8's slang remained
This phrase is for foreigners only. Russians neglect such mantras of our rulers

 

Why do you prefer to put your faith in an article in a general scientific publication written by an unnamed journalist who has a general scientific knowledge of nerve agents, rather than the head of one of the world's leading CBW labs as well as the Russian developer of the nerve agent in question?

It's rather like a patient choosing to have heart transplant surgery conducted by a general hospital medical surgeon instead of a specialist world renowned heart transplant surgeon?

I can't see the logic.

 

It strikes me as highly strange that you'd put your faith in an article in a scientific publication written by an unnamed journalist who has a general scien

In fact the time lag between touching the doorknob and collapse was approx 3.5 hours. This for military grade Novichok that kills in minutes.

They both touched the doorknob then drove to the cemetery to vpay their respects at Skirpal's deceased wife's grave, then on to a pub for a pint, then to a restaurant for lunch and then to a park where they both collapsed.... at the same time.