English spies and their Yulia Scripal' :)

LOL And if anyone believes that they'll believe anything? Many did though? It just goes to show how effing dumbed down we've become - except me and you, SH. And my son, who's a chip off the old block.

 

I think that suppression is fully adequate term in medicine. Opression- is more when they talk about the relation between people, if I understand it correctly. person. Anyway, after several weeks in the UK hospital you may start not only to speak English phrases, but also to think in English
My priorities, well this is the common phrase in Russian now. There are of course, such thing as values, but that is something more permanent, while priorities can change.

 

gloves?

 

Yes, latex. All residents of London and Salisbury wear latex gloves.)))

 

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...sting-why-didn-t-the-skripals-die-on-the-spot

 

When Theresa May says "highly likely" - all lawyers start laughing out loud. "Highly probable" is not proof.

 

The problem with that article (actually there are many problems) is that it presented theories wholesale but was completely void of any facts to support them (show me where either of the Skripal's were wearing gloves, for example?).

In fact it reminded me very much of the court scene in the film JFK, where Kevin Costner playing the role of Jim Garrison tells the jury that:

"Theoretical physics can prove an elephant can hang from a cliff with it’s tail tied to a daisy, but use your eyes – your common sense..."

And the journalist's various intellectual contortions in the article about why the Novichok used was not immediately deadly was blown out of the water when it was officially revealed that the tested samples were of "high purity" (not that I buy into this fairy tale anyway).

Besides that, the journo, Dan Kazeta, is a Bellingcat reporter.

Bellingcat, actually Eliot Higgins a.k.a, Brown Moses (or "Bell-end" as he is known in some quarters in the UK), is a notorious and highly biased western government funded propagandist. He is a fellow at the Atlantic Council (funded by NATO, the US, Saudi etc), and also received funding from George Soros' Open Sources Foundation and also from the National Endowment for Democracy etc.

 

Get a grip Witchy ffs!

 

It's an excerpt from a published handbook written by two highly trained and experienced doctors.

 

Bellingcat... same group involved with MH17 investigation... I believe they're fine and doing a very good job... so effectively our disagreement as usual simply comes down to sources.

 

But not nearly as highly knowledgeable or having the specialist experience of one of the world's leading (and, in fact, oldest) government laboratories dedicated to testing, researching and producing chemical and biological weapons. What they don't know about CB warfare isn't worth knowing.

Likewise the Russian developer of Novichok also says there is no antidote.

Given these facts I don't really understand why this should even be an issue or subject to debate?

 

I can't believe that May has got away with it to be honest.

‘Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.’

 

Yes, I agree, Witchy. Sources are our principal area of dispute (and we come at news stories from opposite perceptions too).

My position is this: Sources who are funded by governments and institutions like NATO are dis-credible and biased. The piper who pays them calls the tune. And Bellingcat is notorious for it too.

He was a one man propagandist working out of his sitting room who had never been to Syria or the Ukraine, had never witnessed war etc. He had zero experience as a journalist. He dropped out of college, worked as a payments officer in a ladies underwear company ("I'm more interested in lingerie than asylum seekers" he once quipped (I kid you not) - and a "World of Warfare" gaming addict. He worked for awhile in a non profit providing housing for asylum seekers as an admin, but got laid off.

All of this prepared him to become an international blogger (er, citizen journalist....) From being broke and unemployed he became an armchair internet blogger (who previously used the pseudonym Brown Moses) published throughout the western media as a propaganda source.

The late Robert Parry, who was a Pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist with over 40 years experience in leading newspapers and who broke the Iran-Contra story typified his story on BUK missile used for the MH-17 shootdown as a "fraud".

 

This is rich coming from someone who regularly posts articles that rest a mountain of speculation on little molehills of fact. if I thought you actually believed what you write I might think it hypocritical, but it is increasingly clear there is an ulterior motive here that relies heavily on such poor sources and double standards.

 

She has obviously read Goebbels...

 

A pip squeaks!

 

Its funny to watch the hierarchy on message boards. There are always people who are just slavish followers desperate to impress other posters by agreeing with them at every opportunity. So predictable, so sad. One day you'll learn to think for yourself....or you'll go senile before you get there. I certainly won't live to see it.

 

Go away - I've decided you're not worth the time I spend exchanging posts with you. Have a good life - whatevah!

 

Good for you, Cerb. That O

Good for you Cerb.

 

They ran the emergency medicine for UK's armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Your two sources are a CEO with no medical background and a Soviet era chemist who verified that the attack used Novichok.

 

I guess this Novichok is just not any good as a killing device. It failed twice. I guess the russians will never use it again, given it is a dud, if killing is what they are after. And I thought the stuff killed quickly!! Apparently not! I think over the counter rat poison might work better. And its cheaper.

So, that means that what I can read about this agent is all BS!!!!!!! Lies. Propaganda. OR, the lies are on the other side. One side is lying. Which side? Which side benefits the most from lying? I think I would head in that direction since you cannot trust what anyone says.

 

I think emergency medicine has come a long way. Anthrax and Ebola were once considered a death sentence but can be handled with early treatment.

 

Possibly, but what is the average kill time of this agent? Have any idea? Must not be within minutes? Looks like a longer term kill.

 

Depends on the dosage and where they made contact I am guessing.

 

Ooh look, you got a pat on the head from one of the big boys. Good boy. Very good boy.