Establishing a pretense to refuse to testify.

This is extraordinarily lame. A young campaign staffer doing legitimate business to grease the skids for better Russia-USA relations under Trump gets told by a Russian professor that Russia has dirt on Hillary. The tipsy staffer, Papadopoulos, yells, "Yippee!" The FBI then jumps hell bent into action to investigate Russian interference into the election and their collusion with the Trump campaign. They just moseyed around when months/years earlier they had definitive knowledge of just Russian interference, including hacking the DNC and RNC (attempted hacking at the RNC) until they were told to stop looking into Russian interference. But, with no hint of any criminal wrong doing, GET ON THAT TRUMP CAMPAIGN STUFF! Which they did, finally getting around to talking with Papadopoulos in January 2017. They found nothing that approached collusion but Papadopoulos got some dates wrong and so was charged with lying to the FBI.
A campaign worker had a conversation with a guy who knew somebody in the Russian government. Imagine that! Call out the National Guard! Oh, the Guard is busy? Then get a free lancing Special Prosecutor to hire a dozen lawyers, give him $10 million, and GET HOT ON IT!

 

Rod...
More an and more, I see the logic of the left-leaning politics going California style- cut down methane in the atmosphere by passing a law requiring farmers to capture cow farts. Proposing a law where people caught with under-inflated tires would be arrested, fined $1000 per occurrence and jailed for 6 months. I posted a thread on this trend in California, because it illustrates the increasing lunacy that the left is seeing as rational and logical. It's becoming like science fiction- anything they can think gets credibility, anything that offends or hurts theri feelings is a crime. At the same time, criminals are being persecuted and should be left alone.

I'm at a loss to figure out how such a distortion in thinking is even possible for sane people.

 

You mention but quickly slide over the most important part. You say, "authorities might form a suspicion....." Properly it should read, authorities might have a reasonable suspicion and probable cause that a crime had been committed. That makes all the difference in the world between an investigation and a witch hunt. Without that your post implies that money laundering is hard to find and many white collar workers do it, and therefore we should question and subpoena every business executive in the country and make them prove they have not committed a crime. Mueller and Comey before him had no reasonable suspicion or probable cause that criminal collusion had taken place. That makes it a witch hunt -- no matter what it is called.
BTW, we did/do have a reasonable suspicion that the Democrats colluded and got valuable monetized assistance to the campaign from a foreign source with the dossier -- a crime, but that is totally ignored.

 

But........your reality and the facts have little to do with each other as your specious claim about N. Korea illustrates.

 

It's hard to overstate your distorted view of this matter. As soon as Papadopoulos was approached with the offer of dirt on Hillary in possession of the Russian government, an offer also made to Donnie J, it should have been reported to the FBI. Both offers should have been reported. Papadopoulos goes on to tell an Australian diplomat the story, who then reports it to US counterparts after the diplomat begins seeing reports of Russian interference in our election. The FBI would have been grossly negligent not to open an investigation. An investigation Mueller assumed control of once Comey was fired. You have an enormous blind spot regarding this issue, and others, that can only be attributed to an obsessive devotion to the Orange Fraud.

 

Let's take that hypothetical scenario to the next step.

Your beloved BLOTUS provides the answers, in writing, to those questions under penalty of perjury.

One of the specific question asked was about certain identified funds he received on date X from a named source and what they were for? Your BLOTUS replies that it was for property P that he sold to the named source.

Then the investigation reveals that the answer was wrong. Those funds were part of a money laundering operation and the property never changed hands and was subsequently sold to someone else.

Your BLOTUS has now committed obstruction of justice in a money laundering scheme and perjured himself in writing.

What excuse will you make so that he can remain in office?

 

So, you think N Korea's Kim just woke up one morning, and thought- I've been a murderous, scumbag maniac for too long, it's getting boring. I think I'll try being a milktoast wimpy good guy for a while. Somebody call Donald Trump and invite him over so I can ask him what I should do....

You figured that out all by yourself? Such insight you have. Amazing, like a hailstorm of brilliance.

 

Can you explain why jumping on the Papadopoulos "collusion" thing was critical, but investigating the known Russian interference was just ho-hum?? And, if so critical, why did the FBI wait so long to interview him????
I am not aware that a campaign person getting an offer from a foreign national for helpful information is a have-to-report action.

 

You seem annoyed that your assertion that no admin has come close to the success the Drumpf admin has had (nothing has been achieved yet) with N. Korea is woefully inaccurate. It tends to happen when folks who pretend they have a unique grasp of the facts get embarrassed.
The more likely scenario is China told Kim exactly what to do because it is not in China's interests to see the military action that Drumpf was threatening take place.

 

Once again you do not understand our judicial system and especially the FISA warrant process.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-...d-australian-diplomat-of-clinton-dirt-2017-12

The candidates were urged to alert the FBI about any suspicious overtures to their campaigns, the officials said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ans-would-try-infiltrate-his-campaign-n830596

If the candidates were "urged" to report mere contacts with Russians, what do you think they should have done about an offer of illegally obtained information that the Russian government had?

 

Bill Clinton and the Senate Democrats and MSM.

 

"Drumpf was "briefed and warned" at the session about potential espionage threats from Russia, two former law enforcement officials familiar with the sessions told NBC News. A source close to the White House said their position is that Drumpf was unaware of the contacts between his campaign and Russians."

We now know that denial was a lie.

 

One of the fundamental standards of justice is the "fruit of the poisonous tree" concept- you don't build a case or make an allegation based on information known to be false or fabricated, either all or in part, and anything that comes out of an attempt to do so is null.

The dossier was a paid-for political character assassination product, we know that as fact. The very nature of that is sufficient to define it as the poisonous tree, regardless of content. Of course there are facts included, the only way to sell such crap is to sprinkle it with some legitimate details. Kind of like mixing the poison and the meat to sell it to the animal you wish to kill. That is why the rule exists.

Given the source of the dossier- two things should have happened, early on. First, it should have been discredited and discarded for any purpose of evidence against the targets. Second, those who created it should have been prosecuted for creating it, those who peddled it knowing it was an act of political sabotage should be prosecuted for implementing it or acting on it as legitimate evidence, because multiple laws were violated in the process of creation and promotion of it, at every level. Thus, the details of the various allegations that in any way stem from this really don't matter at all- they were all legally dead anyway, as the entire pursuit came from that poisonous tree.

If the law doesn't protect equally- then the law becomes a weapon of malice, not a measure of justice and protection for all. Given the extent to which the corruption that is behind all this has succeeded in politicizing the FBI and so many of our officials responsible for keeping our system honorable, this is a critical failure in our system of justice, and worse- of our concepts of the value of justice. The fact that a lie is sold to millions does not change the fact that it is a lie- but it does change the ability of a nation to honor the standard of equal justice under the law. And, for those of you who would fight for the definition that suits the argument you want to make today, regardless of that standard- Beware. When you do that, you are undermining the same laws that protect you and yours.

 

You are funny! Bringing you face to face with reality is like trying to catch a greased weasel in a briar patch while blindfolded.
I don't know if anyone has ever tried that, it just seem like a similar challenge.
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Your hate overwhelms you- dominates not just your conscious mind, but your logic and judgment. I realize that must be painful, but I have to point out that the person being most harmed by such hate is invariably the one harboring it. Seems we all try to bring you into the light, but it's always no sale. I don't have a problem with your dislike for Trump- my concern is your dislike for facts that aren't comfortable with your hate. Trying to help you here. IF you can acknowledge the positives, you lend credit to your case on the negatives. If not- you shoot down your own case... not a smart thing to do. However, I have faith that it's not a lost cause, so I will try again.

Once again I challenge you to show us you have some shred of balance in your judgment, show you are capable of acting outside of "bad faith".
Here it is again, for the FOURTH time:

So tell us Lee- what are the things you like most about our president? The characteristics or accomplishments that make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?
We know you are hiding them for fear of being attacked by the hate police. But be bold, step up and tell us.

Perhaps the all-time record low for black unemployment that has just been reached?
The remarkable low unemployment levels now that apply to all ethnic groups?
The fact he obliterated the entrenched Clinton Cartel on a shoestring budget from an underdog position?
The unprecedented breakthrough in the 68 year old Korean war? ( * yes, I noted you credit China, and no doubt Grover Cleveland back in 1885 for his statement that "Communism is a hateful thing, and a menace to peace and organized government.)
The soon to be longest economic boom in history?
The fact that even CNN is fessing up, and has somehow finally found the courage to say "Yes- Trump gets credit for the economy"?
The way he pledges to work for all Americans- even you? How can you doubt the character of a man who can pledge that?

How about it- are you going to rate all these things as fake, or man up and give credit where credit is due?

Sorry for the bold caps, people. It seems he can't (won't?) read or recognize things that he doesn't agree with, I'm trying to help by posting the short list and adding emphasis.

 

Mueller is demanding a personal appearance by trump so he obviously does not think he can trap trump with written questions

 

Your reality is not actual reality. Didn't you get the memo?

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pr...secretary-gave-alternative-facts-860142147643

Fact check: Trump gets black unemployment rate right, but claims undue credit


“Unemployment claims have hit a 45-year low. And something I’m very proud of — African-American unemployment stands at the lowest rate ever recorded,” Trump said.

Trump’s got his numbers right — unemployment overall is at a 45-year low and black unemployment did reach a new low this year — but he’s taking credit for an awful lot of gains that occurred before his administration.

President Barack Obama cut black unemployment in half, from 16.8 percent to 7.8 percent during his administration. Under Trump’s administration thus far, the black unemployment rate has fallen just one point, from 7.8 percent to 6.8 percent.

Drumpf Takes Undue Credit on Black Unemployment

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/01/trump-takes-undue-credit-black-unemployment/

You are easily duped, as indicated by your unfailing support of the Groper-in-Chief.

 

It looks like Melania is writing for Pence now.

FF to 1:13.

 

So you can't answer that hypothetical?

I suspected as much.

 

Its a stupid question

If trump does not answer the question truthfully mueller will have the perjury trap he so desperately wants

And there wont be much I can say

 

In other words it won't matter whether your beloved BLOTUS answers the questions in writing or in person if he perjures himself.

 

But...........you understand the whole perjury trap ruse is just a transparent attempt by Don's defenders to justify his refusal to testify, right?

 

sweet when does mueller arrest Trump?

 

If mueller catches trump in a perjury trap no matter how minor mueller will treat it as the crime of the century

I advise trump to go written or not at all

 

In other words, if Don lies under oath.