EU PANIC: Brussels rocked by 'DESPAIR' over future role of Farage and Boris Johnson

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Well-Known Member

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    He's a populist buffoon - we need someone with a bit of gravitas for a change, after the last 6 losers we've been lumbered with.
     
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    I don't think Boris is up to it personally...saying that....can't think who is really....I'll have to ponder that one
    I don't think the idea of Trump and what he stands for sits well with the elitists in the EU; I don't think they have a narrative to counter his popularist appeal in that the commission can't quite figure out the direction of travel. The initial jingoism and indeed shameful behaviour of the likes of Trump and Bannon and Gorka has now gone and America is re-asserting itself. The EU has issues with "popularism" which unlike a lot of what is said here should not be conflated with right wing inter-war political extremism: it is something quite distinct and varies from country to country but seems to be encapsulated in a "no more Europe" message. I guess popularism can be summed up as a reaction to the unresponsive, unrepresentative character of the inter-locking national and European political elites. Unlike the US and Trump the EU is a lot of talk but very little action; European defence force, the improved European social model have been discussed at length but in reality have very little contact with reality.....anyway pick the bones out of that....
     
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    I tend to agree with you.
     
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    Nonnie Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    And that idiot Sturgeon needs the push. May is dragging the UK down and Sturgeon is dragging Scotland down.

    To be honest, I can see why UK Politicians don't want us to have a 2nd Amendment because they know fine well how they would be leaving politics.
     
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    ....would that include an apple stuck in their gobs just in case the bullet didn't work....
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    If the British want to lose even the last bit of respect and trust and are happy to commit suicide then they should do so.
    The EU and me does not care and certainly not shocking. Maybe then finally comes from London an announcement on how to Brexit with political majority the British want with the EU ... because that is the only reason why the Brexit has not happened yet.

    "A majority for May's EU Brexit deal in the Parliaments?" - No!
    "A majority for the" No Deal Brexit "as an alternative in Parliament?" - No!
    "A majority for New elections due to political stalemate in parliament?" - No!
    "A majority for a new or another Brexit referendum in parliament?" No!

    What do the British want then? Ehm ... no idea ... but the Guilt for all is only at EU of course! ROFL ....
     
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    WTF's that supposed to mean?
     
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  10. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Well-Known Member

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    I think @alexa here is trying to articulate that they don't like either of those options because they're not Maduro supporting command economy wanting Corbynistas - so they're trying to tell the UK 'not to do that' because they don't want either by saying "no UK", like the UK's misbehaving.

    Of course, this is just one translation of their well thought out post there. No one can say for sure without the Rosetta Stone.
     
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    You seem to think that Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is somehow a bad thing, and that having a way out of the EU is useless because no one should ever ever, ever use it.

    If leaving the EU was such a bad and disrespectful thing, why would it be possible?
    Why can't the EU treat the UK like 'just another country' and not part of the EU?
    This extension is meaningless really, especially if Brexit doesn't happen.

    That's why we have the option of this Brexit Party. This country shouldn't still be in the EU, it's past the end of March 2019. Keeping the UK in against the 2016 referendum is like keeping the UK in against its will, and the longer we're 'stuck in' the more we're not going to be happy, and the more we're not going to be happy, the more Farages we're liable to send to the EU Parliament.

    It's just common sense; You make the UK not happy against our will, PM Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage to the rescue and to Hell with the EU's deal it's pushing for but UK Parliament reject.
     
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    I am saying Boris and Farage are both English Nationalists. Both would result in the split up of the UK because Scotland and non DUP N. Ireland could not tolerate them. If Scotland went for Independence anyway the Irish believe the English would give up N. Ireland. It is the most expensive piece of the country to run and without Scotland not worth much to the English. That Wales are now having marches for Independence I also find interesting.

    From what I hear English working people are split between those who would work for a better society for all and those who are wanting away from the 'other'. How that is resolved will determine how England progresses and could determine whether a Union remains.
     
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    I'm not English, I'm British, read my passport, says British Citizen.
    Also, yeah.

    (I mean, technically I'm an Englishman, giants smelt my ancestor's blood and whatnot)... But I'm British. (So are you).

    Maybe Tony Blair was wrong for devolution like he was wrong for going into Iraq, and that maybe Westminster (I admit, I like where it's at), is the house that drives this nation.
    Nothing wrong with Westminster politics being all British and United Kingdom on everybody.
     
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    Why do you keep twisting the facts and claiming things that are just not true?

    Sure ... I've come to understand that you're not in the position to understand that leaving requires a deal, simply because there's a mountain of issues to settle and regulate for the time after leaving. Northern Ireland, Customs Union etc. are only 2 of many things ...

    The fact is that it is not about Article 50 and not about the claim that the EU wants to force the British to do something .... WHO CLAIMS THAT, LIES!

    FACT: THE BRITANS SHALL FINALLY SAY WITH POLITICAL MAJORITY AS YOU WANT THE BREXIT ... DEAL OR NO DEAL BREXIT!

    A simple question and demand from the EU ... but the British can not and will not do that!
    In the meantime, the EU does not care what Brexit is like, as long as the British finally say what they want instead of just saying what they do not want!

    That the British are still not out of the EU, it is only the British blame ... nobody else has any guilt here!

    GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD PLEASE!
     
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    I wasn't talking about you! There are Brit Nats as well. Blair was not in favour of Devolution. He could not get completely out of his promise to John Smith before his death. John Smith wanted to bring democracy to the UK particularly after seeing the abuses Thatcher made of our 'unwritten constitution'. Devolution was to be for the whole of the UK, creating I think a somewhat Federal Union. However after giving it to Wales and Scotland, the NE were sold it in a manner that no one would buy. He also did not carry out many of the changes which was necessary choosing instead to sell the UK to neo Liberlism, seemingly knowing it would end badly. Also to be included were a written constitution and stronger freedom of information that we got and possibly other things which I am not remembering now.

    Smith's proposals were to keep the UK but for it to be a strong Democracy. Blair's refusal to implement them in full and to embrace neo liberalism has brought us to where we are today.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ew-epoch-for-democratic-resistance-has-begun/

    I take it you are aware that Scotland was given an earlier vote on Devolution and when it was accepted they straight out changed the rules and failed to implement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Scottish_devolution_referendum
     
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    Did the EU accept there was no deal, or did the EU listen to the champion of the only person in the UK to agree a deal with them and extend the negotiation because their deal wasn't approved in time?

    You have to accept that the truth is relative, and because the EU says something doesn't make it true. Like the EU saying the UK can't have a better deal with the EU outside of the EU than inside of the EU; The UK could say 'we can have a better deal in no deal with the EU'.

    The EU is no better than Theresa May for delaying Brexit in the hope the UK goes for a deal the EU will sign off on. You have to blame all those who chose to extend Brexit in the hope this failed proposal to remain close to the EU gets ratified.

    The EU, could have said No Deal, but for some reason, it chose not to. It was giving Theresa May another chance to get the deal they'd accept through Parliament. Can't say the EU is innocent here. When the clock runs out, it's the fault of those who extend the clock in this deadlock.
    It's not like Brexiteers and others who are waiting for the UK to come out of the EU would have been against the EU saying no deal was made locking the UK close to the EU. As I said, the EU shouldn't have granted an extension that shouldn't have been requested on a deal that no one in the UK wants.
     
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    @Mandelus it's now the fault of the EU for listening to Theresa May who's days are numbered.
    If you see Guy Verhotstadt on Euro News talk about the Lib Dems, you'd realise he has no clue on UK politics.
    Anyone, I mean, anyone, who thinks the Lib Dems are worth anything in the UK is dangerously unaware of the UK political system, so when he said it's come down to Brexit Party or Lib Dems on Euro News this week... Kinda wonder what planet he's living on, take it from me, Lib Dems aren't on the radar in the UK anymore.
    It goes Tories, Labour and this Brexit Party upset, and not one of them have come out as remaining in the EU and all of them promised to deliver Brexit in one way or another.
     
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    But your parliament has to make up its mind what it wants.
    It voted against a No Deal, a Hard Brexis.
    But than it voted any type of deal and any solution down.
    If May talks to the EU council of 27, she comes empty handed, because of the situation in the UK parliament
     
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    Voting agianst No Deal was stupid because it's not for one side of this divorce to say there must be a deal if the other side doesn't want it - so let's call it a waste of British tax money spent on taking that action which means nothing if the EU doesn't want it.
    Let's put no deal back on the table.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...o-deal-brexit-steven-barclay-cabinet-showdown
     
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    All very nice, but a No Deal has to have enough votes to pass in parliament.
    Get that done first.
    Ain't going to happen.
    Because it would tear the UK apart.
     
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    Here's hoping for a no deal Brexit and no extensions of this extension.
    Extension 1 was April 12th
    Extension 2 is October 31st with a review in June.
    I really wonder why the EU and Theresa May think time is the issue here.

    EU need only panic if Brexit Party gets elected and the UK is still in the EU.

    People here are saying it's £150m to run in these elections which is a waste of money because this country doesn't actually plan to take these seats/be in the EU much longer.
     
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    Let me digress and just say; All EU elections are meaningless, and not just these 2019 EU elections, but all of them.
    There is no Democracy in the EU at the EU level.
     
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    I agree, it is a waste of money for the UK to participate in the election
     
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    It really is.
     
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    Now you're getting it.
     

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