EURASIAHEADLINE NEWS BREAKING: UKRAINE BEGINS SHELLING NEAR MARIUPOL

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  1. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its the natural consequence of living in a backwards place.

    He's probably highly intelligent-and yet he was raised as a marxist.

    That would mess with anyone.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suspect the Russians also admire strong leaders, and I don't know of any serious contenders for his spot in Russia-perhaps because its russia. Perhaps because of putin.

    But you are correct that they are figuring out the USA is not the global chump it was under Obama.
     
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    Trump's investments in any country can be affected one way or another by the leaders of those countries, so why single out Putin?
     
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    If the US is quietly stirring the pot and supporting anti-Putin regimes with arms and manpower and Trump is in hock to oligarchs in Russia, then yes Russia who has nefarious aspirations in neighboring countries.
     
  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On Syria:

    The US got involved in Syria to overthrow Assad because he wouldn't allow a pipeline with gas from Qatar to break Russia's monopoly. Russia became involved because the Shia crescent is what separates the moderate Sunni's on their southern flanks from the CIA infiltrated terrorists from the Gulf states. They suffered two Chechnyan wars because of jihadi infiltration, and that was enough.

    Washington kept the war going on in Syria so it could achieve its objectives of getting rid of Assad and breaking it into parts. Whenever Syria was winning a battle, Washington would bomb the Syrian forces under the excuse of a false flag chemical attack. Today the US occupies 1/3 of Syria illegally - mostly the desert and gas and oil rich areas east of the Euphrates and has put the Kurds in charge. The intent is to create a Kurdistan under US control Of course the Arabs hate and resent the US presence as well as that of the Kurds who have no business being there.

    Turkey who fears the Kurds and sees them as a threat to their territorial integrity, said it's ready to go to war. The US told them not to dare or they will suffer the consequences. Now Turkey is saying that the US forces will not stay and will leave, yet according to American sources they will be there forever - like in Afghanistan.

    On Ukraine:

    The US had the coup in Ukraine and overthrew the legitimate president so it could grab Crimea and install a Nato base there - as well as kick out the Russians. They failed!

    As for the Russian volunteers, they are protecting the Russian speaking people of Donbas from genocide by the Nazi armies. When I say Nazis I'm not talking about the Ukrainian conscripts, who are being forced to become cannon fodder by Poroshenko. I'm talking about those from Galacia, the same ones whose grandparents had killed off the Poles in WWII to grab their land.

    According to the Minsk agreement the Nazis were not supposed to be in the Donbas areas that are still occupied by the Kiev junta - but they have now entered and are being helped by Nato.

    In addition a radical member of the Ukrainian parliament said they must start hunting down the Russian priests a la Soviet Union style. They think that by doing this, they will force the people to attend Poroshenko's new Ukrainian Orthodox Church. In the meantime the US embassy warned the Americans there to remain in their homes for fear of religious riots.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You people are unbelievable. What do you gain by coming out with one lie after another, other than being seen as ...

    Who me? I'm no idiot!
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    Oh boy!

    I'm so glad American blood and treasure is being used to defend an illegal, fascist government in some eastern European rump state.

    Tell me... would you sacrifice your own life or the life of your family in order to defend the corrupt regime in Kiev?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When I was young, we were taught that democracies never started wars, only monarchies and dictatorships did. We proved them wrong now didn't we? Anyway I hate the word capitalism because I see it as the control of the many by the few. Free enterprise would be the right term I think, and that's what we should go back to rather than the present day corporate control of our economy and our lives.
     
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    Actually, the exact opposite is true. It's obvious that Russia wants as little to do with Ukraine's instability and dysfunction as possible. The only reason they've involved themselves at all is because the US government is trying to set up a hostile puppet regime right on Russia's border.

    That's an interesting statement. Because according to most anti-Russian narratives, Russia has already invaded the Ukraine. Yet your statement implies that they have yet to invade.

    Anyway, it is well-known among military experts on both sides that US forces in eastern Europe have zero chance of stopping a Russian invasion into a rump state like the Ukraine. Put simply, US forces in and around Ukraine are symbolic of a larger commitment to defending that region from Russian occupation. But the question you have to ask yourself is this: Would western forces and US forces in particular make good on that commitment in the face of an actual Russian invasion into eastern Europe? Put another way, would the west risk a nuclear war with Russia in order to salvage some pathetic rump state on Russia's own border? Would you want to risk that?

    No reasonable person wants the US to be allies with a dysfunctional, troublesome rump state. The real question we should be asking is: What does the average American gain by defending a fictional state in some eastern European backwater?
     
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    No, Russia is upset because the US government promised not to expand NATO towards Russia's borders but did it anyway.

    (TIME) Gorbachev Blames the U.S. for Provoking 'New Cold War'

    How do you know what Putin is thinking?

    Why not? They are just as rich as the US, and they are much closer to Russia than we are.

    The only puppet in Ukraine are the US-backed fascists who overthrew the democratically elected president in an illegal coup.
     
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    Are you speaking of The Bolchevic's or somebody else killing these priest? What era ?
     
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    If a frog had wings it wouldn't hit its ass when it Hops. All your narrative about Trump is just more TDS spreading.
     
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    The whole truth is that the US is a crumbling, decaying empire being ruled by increasingly deranged and greedy oligarchs.
     
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    What the hell are you babbling about?
     
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    Remember it plays into their lame excuse that Trump colluded with Russia. They still can't get over the fact that despite all the cheating the Left did. They couldn't get Ma Barker to break that glass ceiling.


    Think of it as Humpty Dumpty. But with Ma Barker as the King. :grin:
     
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    That is not a good rule at all. Borders should reflect the underlying cultural and political realities, not the other way around.

    And why are you assuming that the only way to change borders is through violence? Ever heard of democracy before?
     
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    What a courageous and novel position to take in these uncertain times... LOL
     
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    His son has already admitted doing business in Russia. My narrative about Trump is spot on if his previous business life is any indication. "If the queen had balls she would be king" is also a cute expression that doesn't apply here.
     
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    Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Oh, heavenly one. Thought you'd know, being so spiritual and defiant.
     
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    :roll:


    FACT CHECK: Russia Paid Donald Trump Millions of Dollars
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russia-paid-donald-trump...
    Claim: ABC News has reported that Donald Trump received millions of dollars from Russia.

    Mostly False
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    Fact checked by snopes.com
     
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    Nemesis: Vladimir Putin is a murdering, thieving scumbag
    Ethereal: "What a courageous and novel position to take in these uncertain LOL"

    Actually, in the Age of Lies, telling the truth is courageous.
     
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    There are massive gas deposits off the coast of Crimea


    By William J. Broad
    May 17, 2014
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    When Russia seized Crimea in March, it acquired not just the Crimean landmass but also a maritime zone more than three times its size with the rights to underwater resources potentially worth trillions of dollars.
    Russia portrayed the takeover as reclamation of its rightful territory, drawing no attention to the oil and gas rush that had recently been heating up in the Black Sea. But the move also extended Russia’s maritime boundaries, quietly giving Russia dominion over vast oil and gas reserves while dealing a crippling blow to Ukraine’s hopes for energy independence.
    Russia seized Crimea in March, it acquired not just the Crimean landmass but also a maritime zone more than three times its size with the rights to underwater resources potentially worth trillions of dollars.

    Russia portrayed the takeover as reclamation of its rightful territory, drawing no attention to the oil and gas rush that had recently been heating up in the Black Sea. But the move also extended Russia’s maritime boundaries, quietly giving Russia dominion over vast oil and gas reserves while dealing a crippling blow to Ukraine’s hopes for energy independence.
     
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    Are you sure you're not describing the US empire?

    No he wasn't.

    Under Obama, the CIA initiated a coup right on Russia's border.

    And under Obama, the CIA tried to overthrow the Syrian government by arming, training, and bankrolling jihadists.

    What a laughable fantasy!

    First of all, there isn't a shred of proof that the Syrian government gassed any civilians. The people who originally made that accusation are JIHADIST SCUM. And Trump was dumb enough to believe them. In any case, Trump's attack on Syrian forces was largely symbolic and did nothing to change the underlying strategic reality of the situation. It was also illegal under US law, since only the congress has the constitutional authority to declare war.

    As for your claim that Russia's military would be hard-pressed in a war against the Ukraine, that is simply ridiculous. It is the expert consensus on both sides that Russia would steamroll Ukrainian forces along with any western support elements. The Ukrainian rump state has NO CHANCE of defending itself against a real Russian invasion.

    So contrary to the fantasy you have just described, the reality is that Trump is merely continuing the dangerous and doomed policy of anti-Russian insanity of previous administrations, despite Trump's repeated campaign promises that he would seek rapprochement with Russia. Judging by your comments, you seem to be rather proud of Trump breaking his promises to the American people.
     
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    Repeating the propaganda narratives of the US government is not courageous or truthful. Other than that, your comment is stellar.
     
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