Evidence for the Creator: Angst

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  1. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Not known in this person.
     
  2. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Lol. Nice try ... at something.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    Having a "plan" doesn't excuse parental abuse and neglect.
     
  4. yguy

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    The commission of the Earthly father is to maintain a space within which they can realize their dependence on their real Father, so he protects them as best he can whether they like it or not.
    That professing Christians or Jews or whatever die of whatever doesn't contravene anything I said, since they can just as easily be God haters as atheists can.
    Not necessarily, since His creations are limited to good things; and while some viruses certainly make good instruments of extermination, the question of whether He created them doesn't interest me just now.
     
  5. Derideo_Te

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    Your abject FAILURE to address the indisputable FACT that animals do NOT have religion and still manage to form societies to improve their own mutual survival essentially NEGATES your position that religion plays any significant role when it comes to survival.
     
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    Weak.
    I was comparing believers to non-believers and it appears the religious have an evolutionary advantage which would be passed down through the generations.
     
  7. Derideo_Te

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    Your vapid response is negated by REALITY and a notable ABSENCE of any credible substance.
     
  8. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I believe I have BROUGHT this to your ATTENTION before. Denial IS not a VALID counterargument.
     
  9. Derideo_Te

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    Where is your SCIENTIFIC DATA to support your position?

    Don't bother responding without it because if you do it will only serve to further DOWNGRADE your own credibility on this topic.
     
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  11. Derideo_Te

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    :roflol:

    Obviously you failed to actually READ your own link because NOWHERE does it provide any scientific data to support your position.

    In fact it does the EXACT OPPOSITE!

    ALL scientific ATTEMPTS to establish that there is any evolutionary benefit to religion have FAILED to pass Peer Review.

    Your specious hypothesis has been DEBUNKED by your own link!

    :roflol:
     
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    So you think the universe put itself together from scratch without the help of intelligence, simply from the brute force of energy?

    The progression of entropy seems to show that intelligence is essential. Wood is consumed by fire, but generating its replacement can't happen without the contribution of intelligence.
     
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    Something that has always EXISTED does not need to be "put together".

    The OP has already failed miserably when it comes to using entropy to pretend that his imaginary creator exists. You are making the same mistake he did.

    You wood analogy is meaningless. Plants convert sunlight into energy via photosynthesis and then use that energy to convert CO2 into carbon which the primary element in wood. The science behind this process has been replicated under laboratory conditions.

    https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2017/ta/c7ta00437k#!divAbstract

    https://science.howstuffworks.com/e...rgy-production/artificial-photosynthesis3.htm
     
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    The father-children analogy of God-humans cannot be so strictly applied because God is not a human and is not within the same kind of close-knit family. Furthermore, holding God responsible for issues that are of paramount importance to humans ignores God's point of view. Human travails do not detract from God's purposes.
     
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    Another load of bovine excrement!

    Your imaginary god does not get to JUDGE others by a set of laws that he REFUSES to abide by himself. That DISQUALIFIES him to judge anyone else.
     
  16. Gelecski7238

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    The notion of an eternally existing universe was abandoned by science a long time ago.

    It can't be done without DNA, and DNA is information. Information implies intelligence.
     
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    Bovine excrement in the form of misplaced provinciality, the irrelevance of judgement and whatever arbitrary set of laws.
     
  18. Derideo_Te

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    Complete and utter NONSENSE!

    Science has already been able to replicate RNA in a laboratory and that is just step removed from DNA.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Sci....69i57.245946194j0j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Once again faulty ASSUMPTIONS based entirely upon an ABSENCE of Subject Matter Knowledge.
     
  19. Derideo_Te

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    Your abject failure to defend your fallacy is duly noted FTR.
     
  20. Gelecski7238

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    What is there for me to defend? Judgement etc was your idea.
     
  21. Derideo_Te

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    You posted this nonsense;

    You set your imaginary god ABOVE the laws that he uses to judge mankind.

    When you do that you effectively NEGATE the fallacies that he is a "loving god" and in any position to "judge humanity" because he does NOT have to abide by "human travails".

    Furthermore you are destroying the ILLUSION that your imaginary god "made" mankind "in his image".
     
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    Scientists have declared DNA operations to be functional information systems. That's good enough for me for the time being.

    The specificity of hemoglobin is around 50,000. They'll have to do more than replicate a fraction of a gene to make an impression.
     
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    I don't acknowledge any such laws or process of judgement. I'm not into such religious dogma.

    I don't see any contradiction about a loving God. Soul production bypasses such issues.
     
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    What "impression" are you referring to?
     
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    :roflol:

    Cognitive Dissonance is now apparent.
     

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