Ex-President Jimmy Carter Defends Trump, Says Mueller’s Time is Up

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  1. Yulee

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    Title is very misleading
     
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    WUT?? Even the link has the title in it. :roflol:
     
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    Yes it’s still very misleading.

    Katrina Pierson? It make sense. But that’s not what the former President said. It also doesn’t belong in current events as this is clearly an opinion piece all the way
     
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    Yes, but apparently he is slipping.
     
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    Then YOU attack the old peanut farmer

    I have better things to do
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're right. Carter didn't make a nasty, hate filled remark like many people say about Trump. My disagreement was that Carter was "defending" Trump. He didn't say Trump was doing a good job, but that he thought Trump wanted to do a good job. He said he was glad Trump wanted to talk with North Korea. I don't think that will hurt either, but it does step away from Trump's "fire and fury, little rocket-man" rhetoric that proceeded an agreement to talk, followed by the appointment of Bolton, a proponent of war against North Korea. Trump has been on both sides of many issues, so it's hard to tell what he really stands for. I hope you can see why people, like me, are reluctant to take Trump at his word, because tomorrow, his word is likely to contradict what he says today. Jimmy Carter wasn't mean. I'm not being mean. I just disagreed with the premise that Carter was "defending" Trump. You thought that made me a hater. I'm not even a Democrat, but you lump anyone that doesn't think Trump is doing a good job as "the left," and as haters. When someone is on the far right of the political spectrum, everyone is to the left of them, but that doesn't make everyone a lefty. Most Americans are moderate and independent. The "left" and the "right" are fringe in comparison.

    If you check my posting history, you'll see that after the election, I was for giving Trump a chance. I didn't support his campaign, but he won the election. My feeling was that Trump failing would not be good for my country, so I wanted him to succeed. Then he did things that I don't think are good for my country. I don't think he has the ability to do a good job as President. It's not that he doesn't want to do a good job, as Carter said, but he lacks the personal qualities and priorities to do so. Not everyone is cut out to be President, and once someone is President, they represent and are responsible to all Americans, not just the ones that voted for him. I see it as my responsibility as an American to speak out when elected officials are not working in the best interest of America and the American people, to vote and encourage others to vote, so that the government is reflective of what the people want and need, not what donors want, not what candidates want, not what money can buy. That's the basis for representative government. When it comes to what is best for the country, some people concentrate on economics, some on the environment, others on diplomacy, security, or the welfare of the people, etc. Which is the most important? They are all important, but we all don't see them as equally important. Thus we have different parties, objectives, and priorities in what government should do, so compromise is required in a country with more than 300 Million people. If Trump took on the responsibility to answer to all Americans, you'd probably see much less pushback. However, he focuses solely on his base.
     
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    A few things, I think you are being honest. You say Carter didn't make a nasty remark, fair enough. I apologize for lumping you in with the hateful Left. I disagree about your last statement about Trump focusing solely on his base. I believe at the beginning he tried to reach out to the left but there was so much hate, just so much hate. He didn’t want anything to do with the right’s drumbeat of pursuing Hillary. Then the investigations started basically day one. So at that point you have to circle the wagons. And that’s all I have to say really, his tweeting, his attitude and all the other things that the Left screams about is his personality that he had coming in.
     
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    Carter is one of the worst president....ever. Citing him as some example of a "negotiator" is a big fail. You don't recall the hostage crisis he failed miserably at handling??

    He failed to negotiate with NK once before, yet somehow now he feel he can broker a deal now?? He should stay out of politic and in retirement where he belongs.
     
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    I doubt Trump will call on him, ever.
     
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    Thanks for noticing my honesty. :) Apology accepted. I'm sorry we got on the wrong foot with each other. I think it's important for people that think differently to talk to each other, not at each other, as so often happens.

    If you could give me some examples of how you see Trump reaching out to those that didn't vote for him, we might find some agreement. I don't see it on my own.

    The investigation started before the election, and even before Trump had the Republican nomination. Don Jr, Manafort, Kushner, and Flynn had direct contact with the Russians and lied about it. I get that he circled the wagons. I'll even agree that some might have been ignorant of how Russia compromises and uses people for their own purposes, and fell into a trap. But, some of them, like Flynn, Manafort, and Gates, did know how Russia compromises people, and pulled others in purposefully. It's one of those duck things… quacking, flying, swimming, and waddling just like a duck means it's probably a duck. Too many things align with Russians and the Trump campaign for it to be not-a-duck, IMO. If Trump tweeted a cross word about Putin, it would help him not look as compromised. He criticizes most everyone else, but not Putin.

    I agree that people knew his personality coming in. What I want you to understand is that more people voted against him (and his personality coming in,) than voted for him. I know that the popular vote doesn't elect the president, but it matters that he represents a minority of voters. He has tried to govern as if he had an overwhelming mandate and pushed his campaign promises on everyone, and reaped historically low approval ratings. Thus the pushback that disturbs you. Trump has it in his power to change how he is seen, but he doesn't seem to have the desire to do anything about it. He keeps doubling down.
     
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    I believe he had intentions to reach across the isle early on, this stuff won't reach all the media just the RW media that the left thinks orbits Mars. So of course most people dont feel he was trying to reach across. I feel once Adm Rodgers gave him a heads up about what he felt was going on, all bets were off the table then. All this happened right away maybe right around election time or a little bit afterwards. He's doubling down now because he's a New Yorker and he wants to win. I understand the pushback because it's a political war and that's my opinion based on what I read. Now I maybe wrong headed in all of this but I am not afraid to apologize when wrong and I will come here and apologize if Trump is guilty of wrong doing. Now I can dig for statements he made that will lead to him trying to reach across the isle. There's not many but I only need one to prove my point.
     
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    What??? So who was leading chants of lock her up at his rallies? Who called her crooked and claimed she should be in prison???
     
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    even old jimmy knows the President represents the 'second amendment' people.

    a rebellion is bad for business in an already stale economy, the pocket books of the middle class and poor are fair game, but not so much the rich.
     
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    Totally... note the key word in Carter's statement - WISH!!! Hell, we ALL wish Mueller would hurry up and indict this entire administration, but if you want it to stick, you gotta dot the I's and indict the T's (LOL)
     
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    Jimmy Carter says Bolton pick is "worst mistake" Trump has made

    Former President Jimmy Carter says President Trump's choice of John Bolton as his new national security adviser is "the worst mistake" Mr. Trump has made.

    "I have been concerned at some of the things he's decided. I think his last choice for national security adviser was very ill-advised. I think John Bolton has been the worst mistake he's made," Carter told "CBS This Morning" co-host Norah O'Donnell Monday. Bolton will be Mr. Trump's third national security adviser since taking office.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ake-trump-has-made/ar-BBKJfgR?ocid=spartandhp
     
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    You noticed North Korea's mountain they used for developing and testing nuclear weapons collapsed in Oct?

    We have a weapon referred to as Rods from God, tungsten rods 20 feet long and one foot wide that we placed in orbit. We release them over the target and gravity makes those rods travel at 10 times the speed of sound. Upon impact, you have a nuclear-bomb type hole but no fallout and no trace of projectile.

    General Jim Mattis hinted in September that there might be a way to strike Nuke Mountain without putting Seoul at risk. A month later, either an earthquake or the U.S. Space Force hit the mountain.

    I hear Kim suddenly showed up in China for the first time ever. I wonder if he is house shopping.
     
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    Jimmie Carter was one of the best presidents the US has ever had, if not the best of all.
     
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    The 65 million trump voters will not loot and burn in the streets the way obama/hillary voters do

    No matter how bad it gets your side will start the violence I gurantee it
     
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    the rich handed your side power because your people are the real threat to the economy, looters cannot destabilize a country as much as angry hill billies who have tactical warfare knowledge passed down from generations.
     
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    The House made its finding that there was no collusion. The Dems in the House objected to process but could point to no collusion. The Senate rambles on in its ponderous way but looks like it will come to the same conclusion. So it seems in my opinion that they are doing their Constitutional duty. It does seem that Mueller should show at least some kind of evidence that would justify his continued existence.
     
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    Interesting! I'm nervous about advocating the use of things like an EMP, much less Rods of God, but I'm glad we have options. I worry that others will retaliate against us with something similar.

    North Korea's part of the globe is very seismically active anyway, so, I need more information to believe something other than nature, or their own testing set off an earthquake. However, my interests are piqued now. :)

    I saw reports Kim took a train to Beijing. It's groundbreaking for him to leave the DPRK. He must feel it's safe for him to go, or he would've sent an envoy… or he didn't really go and it's propaganda. I hope he went, he's talking, and it ends up being a good thing for us. I remember, though, that China has said they will back Kim if we strike them first, so that's a consideration, as well.

    Thanks for the info! I really appreciate it.
     
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    We have a full ration of so called experts all deciding that they know things about Trump others like me simply do not know. Such as how competent is he? For what I see of him, his actual job, not the stuff said by the Media, but his job is well done. I see some of his discussions inside the white house thanks to services such as youtube and PBS. That alone tells me he is doing well.
     
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    Mad Dog said in Sept that a kinetic weapon was on the table, and in October an earthquake hit and took out Fat-Boy's mountain he was using for nuclear testing.

    Coincidences, do occur!

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    Naw man, one part of one dysfunctional house committee said that, and even Republicans on that committee didn't all agree.

    If Mueller recommends indictment of Trump for something criminal, Congress will be obligated to start impeachment proceedings. Any high crime or misdemeanor qualifies. What I meant in that post is that they should have already censured Trump, at the very least, and they are sitting on their hands. If Hillary Clinton had done the same things, she'd already be impeached.
     
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    Eh, he's said racist things, violated the Emoluments Clause, used vulgar and bigoted language in public settings while acting as President. Diplomacy is part of the job too.

    You're welcome to your opinion, but it's the minority view. Most Americans do not approve of the job Trump is doing.
     

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