Farage REVEALS brilliant plan to secure Brexit in 48 HOURS

We've probably got all that right now; all retail meats are injected with 'water' but who's to say what's in that water? I'm going to chuck away a Sains. turkey crown later; I bought it last week on the strength of the 'British turkey' label, but have since realised that Bernard Matthews (now part of a conglomerate) turkey could be labelled 'British', but who the **** would eat Bernard Matthews crap after the bird flu contamination a couple of decades ago, and his turkey twizzlers some people fed to their kids.

 

President Trump is a master deal-maker who knows when he has leverage. His stated position is "America First". I would expect him to take full advantage of his leverage.

..and neither did the EU - it was yet another EU myth.

 

Food standards, and it's not all retail meats.

I'm not sure what point you're making about Britishness, did you miss out a bit where Bernard Matthews can import turkey and re-label as British ?

Personally I buy a lot of the meat I eat from people I know, but I'm lucky, I live in the country.

 

The entire idea behind a trade agreement is both sides get something they want. That's why they trade.

We're already one of, if not the largest, trading partner with the UK already.

Regardless, would you, as a sovereign country, want to negotiate your own trade deals or would you rather an unelected bureaucracy to do it for you?

As for the "bendy banana" thing, it is an actual regulation, and has the force of law. The amount of the bend has been memed and exaggerated.....but still....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...y-bananas-rules-yes-theyre-real/#3bf62b5a6fc9

 

Nicely put, vman - wish I'd have thought of it myself.

 

I'm amazed that the UK isn't seeing what their future is if they stay, when they have a perfect example in France for two reasons:

1. The fact that France is such a mess
2. The fact that the mess in France is under a media blackout

The USA loves it's British brothers and sisters.

That's why we fought and died next to you to save Europe in two World Wars.

Don't become a slave state to globalism. All that sacrifice to keep you free would be wasted if it's allowed to happen.

 

I was an executive manager for an international company until I had to take early retirement for domestic reasons, so I know all about noblesse oblige.

 

I'm afraid this has morphed from a public to a political issue, vman, so there's nothing we peasants can do about it. And we're called a democratic nation? Yeah right, it's a dictatorship in all but name.

 

Politics is the people. All across Europe, people have had enough.

You know the media is lying to you. Don't let them in your heads.

Take your country back.

 

Exactly, you were a manager, it was never your name over the door, your house on the line (so to speak), or your individual responsibility for your employees.

 

We never lost it......

 

Then why are you asking the EU permission to leave the EU?

 

We're not.

We're negotiating how we settle up the bar bill at the end of the evening and what our future relationship with the EU will be like. It is entirely within our power to exit with no input from the EU - indeed that seems to be what we're heading for on the 29th of March - a no deal Brexit with all that entails.

 

That's only because enough people have stopped kowtowing to the EU.

There are people there questioning democracy itself in your country, calling for the country to keep voting until "they get it right". That should tell you volumes.

 

Even May is beginning to realise that no deal will have to be the answer, because she's warning that 'fudging it' will result in street unrest. You're an incorrigible doom-monger, TD; remember this, old chap . . . They need us more than we need them. Let us therefore brace ourselves, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealths last for a thousand years men will still say 'This was The Don's finest hour'. If you do, you'll never stop thanking me.

 

I agree that a no deal Brexit is now inevitable.

I disagree that "they need us more than we need them" simply because we are more reliant on the EU than any one EU country apart from Ireland is reliant on the UK. For sure, it'll be somewhat uncomfortable for German exporters to have less easy access to 6.6% of their export markets, but the UK has less easy access to close to 50%.

The British Empire didn't last 1,000 years and the Commonwealth has taken a completely different stance regarding the "mother country"

 

Audi? VW? Mercedes? BMW? Bosch? Siemens? And I could go on; they're all dreading a no deal. And that's just Germany? (in case you hadn't guessed!!)

 

They may not want a no-deal, but the UK accounts for less than 7% of Germany's exports. Even if those exports were to cease entirely, that would be very uncomfortable, but not catastrophic for those companies. The UK relies on the EU for nearly 50% of its export market. Any significant decrease would be uncomfortable.

 

And they'd rather have that 7% than not have it? Anyway there's a difference between 7% in paper staples, and 7% in German-manufactured cars.

 

For sure they'd rather have the 7% than not, but it puts the lie to the "they need us more than we need them" argument. If, post Brexit, the EU were to lose 10% of its exports to the UK, Germany would lose under 0.7%. If, post Brexit the UK were to lose 10% of its exports to the EU, that's close to 5%.

7% of total export value is 7% whether it's cars or staples. Indeed, if you export €1bn of staples and only €100m of cars then staples are more important.

 

You can't pre-guess that because we'd have other contracts in other markets around the world.

 

We may be able to increase sales to elsewhere in the world but we'd be plugging a bigger gap than other EU countries (Ireland aside).

Of course that raises the question of how. Liam Fox wants to roll over the existing EU trading relationships. If they were so disastrous when we were in the UK (they weren't by the way, other EU countries did just fine), then how will they suddenly enable the UK to make a step-change in our exports to non-EU countries if we are operating on the same terms.

As is turns out, most countries currently appear not to be willing to roll over the EU trade agreements, preferring instead to negotiate with the UK to get a much more advantageous (to them) deal. It's a sensible approach IMO, the UK will be operating in "fire sale" conditions.

 

The problem is not the trade but companies will not produce in the UK for the EU market in a no deal scenario. BMW has rented an empty factory in Bavaria and they can move the Mini production out of the UK at any time. The US company my wife is working for has halted the planned increase in UK production in 2016 and they cancelled it last month complete. Poland will be the winner. HR will move from England to the Netherlands and Finances from England to Czechia. All jobs rather well payed.

A no deal Brexit will cost Germany a few billions, a damaged EU trillions. Don't expect any further substantial concessions backed up by the German government.

 

Well as you say - 'IMO'. Your opinion might be flawed as might mine, but we'll never know now, because we're seeing the Project Fear machine being switched into overdrive, with all parties, far-left self-serving politicians, government departments at their behest, the conniving charlatans of Brussels (and we all know how conniving bureaucrats are - it's the only thing they're good at!), and the '27', all concertedly hyping up the doomsday scenario even as I write. I predict here and now that there will be a Europe-wide subterfuge to Remain as much as possible, ending with the traitors and arch-bureaucrats prevailing. I'm quite aware that will please you, TD, but there's big **** around the corner and far from your expectations your firm might benefit in the short term, but you'll be in liquidation in the long term, and there will be serious, and I mean serious social unrest. The game is up with the traitorous politicians and elitists, and if there's anything other than a no deal, or if there's another penny paid into the ECB, Brits will rise up against them and it won't be pretty! I've been feeling sorry for your predicament upto now but not any more. Actually, TD, more recently, bearing in mind the time you spend on this site, I've been thinking there's more to you than meets the eye, and that you're in some kind of official Remain propaganda role.

 

If that happens they'll lose not only the Mini UK market but BMW also. To make clear what I mean - I've had BMWs for the last 20 years but I'd never buy another one. They're far too over-priced anyway, and there's a limit to brand loyalty. There's a lot of competition out there for both brands so they'd better not be too complacent. There a lot of false propaganda around at the moment which only a gullible fool would believe; these cunning bastards, including BMW, know what they're up against with a no deal, not the least of them being the loss of £50b for the so-called divorce settlement, and they're hell-bent on having their way. And for the UK politically - it will finish the Conservatives for decades to come, because Brits will never forgive the betrayal.