FBI fires Peter Strzok over anti-Trump texts

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  1. PrincipleInvestment

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    I don't know what you see ... but what no one sees is ANY indictment of ANY participant IN that meeting FOR that meeting. What sounds stupid is anyone pretending Natalia wasn't working for Simpson ... who was working for Clinton. Mueller indicted Facebook trolls, in absentia, for saying unkind things about the esteemed Mrs Clinton on a public forum ... But a Russian spy allegedly engaged in rigging an election, undermining US sanctions, and in possession of stolen, potentially classified emails, has been totally ignored. By a "special counsel" appointed to investigate meddling and collusion. :roll:
     
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    In August 2016, just two days after Brennan briefed Senator Harry Reid and other members on Russian interference in the election, the Nevada senator wrote a letter to then-FBI director James Comey, calling the FBI to investigate Trump’s campaign.

    The letter reads in part, “The evidence of a direct connection between the Russian government and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign continues to mount and has led Michael Morrell, the former Acting Central Intelligence Director, to call Trump an ‘unwitting agent’ of Russia and the Kremlin. The prospect of a hostile government actively seeking to undermine our free and fair elections represents one of the gravest threats to our democracy since the Cold War and it is critical for the Federal Bureau of Investigation to use every resource available to investigate this matter thoroughly and in a timely fashion.”

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    :lol: I see what triggered the incredible narcissist in the first place. There is no way that a thin-skinned self-styled "stable genius" could ever live down being exposed as an unwitting agent of Russia and the Kremlin. He probably realizes this truth and it's burning him up inside, but he is too much of a narcissistic monster to admit and accept it, so he continues to externalize his feelings by lashing out at the investigation and everyone involved in it.
     
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    What 'evidence' do you suppose Harry Reid was referring to? Do you think he should testify under oath in front of Mueller?
    What information or advantage do you suppose the Russians gained from the Trump campaign?
     
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    They have about 60 million Americans suffering from TDS which apparently is worse than war time PTSD. :roflol:
     
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    The Russians have about the same number of Americans thinking Socialism is a very good idea and, in fact, have them rioting and turning on each other, often violently. These Democrat Socialists have also taken up the Russian habit of disallowing speech with which they do not agree.

    Perhaps we should have another look at how the Russians didn't just interfere in the elections but in the mindset of those many easily influenced nitwits who now want an end to the greatest nation, and inspiration, the world has ever known.
     
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    I'm not even going to speculate on that here. What matters is how Trump personally feels about the being used by the Russians to their own ends, or even the mere accusation of it. It is my opinion that this, at least in large part, is what is driving Trump's hatred for the investigation and everyone involved in it. It may also be that he is guilty of something and doesn't want that to come out, but then again maybe not, and he would not have to be guilty of acting knowingly to collude with the Russians to feel this way. He could be genuinely innocent of that and still just POed at having been used and there being an investigation into it and into how he has acted since then, especially his firing and publicly attacking certain people involved in that investigation, and into whether these subsequent actions of his amount to obstruction of justice. That would make him both narcissistically angry at the investigators and genuinely afraid of the investigation as a whole, since it does still threaten him and Junior with charges of some kind. If that is the way of it, it is no wonder at all that he just wants this thing to go away. He would be able to breathe much more easily if it would, even without his possibly being guilty of collusion. All of this stands even with his being innocent of any conscious, knowing effort to collude with the Russians.
     
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    So you can understand how the POTUS feels. Now, how should we feel, that given there are now Senators in the Senate Intel committee coming out and saying "Well, we found no evidence of collusion...uh...yet." I'm reminded of a Washington Post article at the beginning of all of this that I can't remember, where sources close to the Senate was like 'even though there's a lot of smoke, there's not even a candle." If anyone else remembers that article, I'd love to source it again.

    Because that was at the beginning, Pre-Comey firing and everything. What we have now, hasn't changed from that time. Conspiracy theories should be left for the conspiracy theorists, not for the Senate and not for the DOJ. What Rosenstein has done to the office he occupies, is simply unacceptable.

    If Trump is indeed innocent, what will come from this scandal at the very minimum is how FBI resources were used to chase a ghost, and the various actors who spearheaded such wasteful uses of resources.
     
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    Lisa Page and her testimony should have landed Peter an indictment by now. Shame on Jeff Sessions.
     
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    That's a lot of speculation you have going on but in fact, when a Special Counsel is named, there should be evidence of a crime actually having been committed. There is that but it's all related to the DNC and Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump. Most Americans feel that Mueller should finally pack it in. http://thehill.com/policy/national-...t-mueller-to-end-russia-probe-before-midterms
     
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    I'm hopeful, but not overly confident, that he'll man up some time in September or early October, before the midterms.
     
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    How many said it was connected to Trump? Proof necessary.
     
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    It doesnt matter who recommended it. Firing Comey would have, under any other administration/congress been seen as obstruction. Hell, the right lost their minds because Bill just talked to Loretta Lynch on the tarmac. Comey was investigating Russian interference in our elections, of which Trump was the beneficiary of. I’m not saying he did, but just like the tarmac meeting with Clinton, the optics of that move were pretty bad.

    C’mon Fred. Respect here, but Mueller wasn’t appointed on a whim. Trump fired the guy running the original russian meddling investigation. That in itself smells to high heaven. But the appointment only names Trump because he is the president. Without that letter, the entirety of the Trump campaign, and everyone who works for him, would have been able to legally claim executive privlidge all the way back to the formation of his campaign.Along with that the office of the president carries some special legal privileges on what they have to expose outside of the Executive Branch, and this explicitly allows investigators access.

    In the original investigation by the FBI, Podesta was interviewed, anda couple others close to Clinton. But lets be realistic here, in any investigation, the victim of the crime isn’t usually interrogated to deeply. The Trump campaign was the beneficiary of the meddling. Their isn’t any agency who investigated this that has’nt said that. Law enforcement 101, investigate those who received gain, not the victim.

    Again, respect Fred, but every agency tasked with investigating the meddling came to the same conclusion, that this was to hurt the Clinton campaign, and benefit the Trump campaign.

    Hillary was a crap candidate, everyone agrees with that. But the release of all of the Clinton campiagn emails, with all of the crap they were doing internally, that very much helped make her that “bad candidate”. That was the objective of the entire meddling campaign.

    And any honest person who follows politics and campaigns knows (About 10% of the overall electorate, the rest are buzzword followers), both sides are doing the same crap. They are 2 sides of the same coin. So the objective of the campaign was 2 fold, create discord among one party, and then make one side look bad to the 90 percent of the electorate who doesnt follow politics closely.

    Mueller is investigating the Trump campaign as any investigator would. He is following the money. And in knowing that, while following the finances of his campaign manager, they found something.

    And I have to ask Fred, while you guys on the right keep claiming that the Trump campaigns meeting with the Russian Lawyer is completely legal, because opposition research is legal, how can you keep asking that the CLinton campaign should be investigated because......Steele ?
     
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    He was the beneficiary of that. It creates motive. Every one of them said that.

    Stevie Wonder can see that.
     
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    So does a $2.3 million dollar donation to your family foundation that your kid lives off of.
     
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    An informant paid for by Hillary's campaign through Fusion GPS?

    Special prosecutor required....
     
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    Criminal activity has to be investigated whether it's successful or not. We'll learn more after Bruce Ohr is questioned on August 28 and then Sally Yates, Susan Rice, James Clapper, John Podesta, James Comey. Andrew McCabe. Loretta Lynch, and several more. And, of course, John Brennan. He may have to introduce the evidence behind his charges of treason.
    I don't know where you're getting your sources but it's clear that both Comey and Strzok found Hillary Clinton innocent before she was even questioned. The same courtesy was not extended to the Trump campaign. In fact the FBI, unlike in the Diana Feinstein case, did not warn Trump that there may be a spy in his campaign.
    She was indeed a crap candidate and was exposed as such, though certainly not by the FBI, DOJ or the MSM. That came out after the election.
    Yes we know that politics can be a dirty business but what we're looking at here is widespread corruption within the DOJ and FBI, very serious stuff.
    If Mueller was seriously 'following the money' he'd investigate why the Clinton Foundation received a $145 million from the same Russian outfit that received 20% of US uranium, and who also paid Bill Clinton a $500,000 speaking fee. That Mueller was head of the FBI at the time should certainly be looked at - and it will be.
    False evidence was created by Steele and his Russian sources, -paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton- involving the CIA, DOJ and FBI- and that led to the phoney Mueller investigation. No false dossiers were ever created by the Trump campaign.
     
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    Agree wholeheartedly. 8)
     
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    *LOL*

    Irony.

    So, you stubbornly continue to claim that having a private server = a violation of the Espionage Act? Uh, no.

    Espionage isn't the form of the classified information; it's sharing it with people not entitled to see that information, otherwise, making photocopes would also be a violation of the Act.

    C'mon, dude--THINK!
     
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    Do you think that Hillary Clinton sharing top secret information with John Podesta, Sidney Blumenthal and Anthony Weiner (among others) was legal - and approved by the Trump Administration?
     
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    Do you have evidence that Clinton shared classified information with people not entitled to see it?

    I'd like to see that. It's not my job to disprove your claims.
     

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