FBI Refutes Trumps Wiretap Claim

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Cause for what? And if no one was charged with anything after the warrants were issued and used what exactly are all the claims about some kind of collusion?
     
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    I'd be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it. - Jon Favreau

    So Obama admits someone ordered the wiretap, but there's no way obama played a part in the intrusion. Nice try!
     
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    Trump lied.

    Obama never ordered a wiretap on him.
     
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    So you automatically believe Obama is telling the truth and Trump's lying, and you base that on exactly what facts?
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That stoy has become a little clearer now.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304



    certification of live birth” to the liberal Daily Kos.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    But someone in his administration sought and got a FISA warrant against the opposition party in a Presidential election and we are to believe he was not informed? A FISA warrant to authorize surveillance of an American citizen. How does the request for that warrant come about?

    The FISA establishes a much more stringent standard in cir-
    cumstances involving the electronic surveillance of “United
    States persons.”

    In such circumstances, the Executive may
    conduct electronic surveillance only pursuant to the FISA’s pro-
    cedures for judicial review and approval.

    Each application
    for a surveillance order must include, inter alia:
    1) the identity of the federal officer making
    the application;
    2) the authority conferred on the Attorney
    General by the President of the United States

    and the approval of the Attorney General to
    make the application

    chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/sojudge.pdf
     
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    We have quasi-denials coming from Barack Obama’s office, who would not be the person to sign off on spying of the rival campaign, and complete silence from AG Loretta Lynch, who WOULD have signed off on the spy request. Now Donald Trump wants Congress to drag the entire mess out into the sunlight.

    President Donald Trump is asking Congress to look into whether the Obama administration abused its investigative powers during the 2016 election.

    “Reports concerning potentially politically motivated investigations immediately ahead of the 2016 election are very troubling,” Spicer said. “President Donald J. Trump is requesting that the congressional intelligence committees exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/white-house-spicer-congress-2016/index.html

    James Clapper showed up and sort of, kind of said it almost couldn’t be true. But be sure to note there’s a lot of wiggle room in his comments once again. Was activity “mounted against Trump” at that time? Well, not if it took place but was “mounted against” his staff. He won’t confirm or deny a possible FISA order either.

    With this much smoke emanating from the story, it beggars disbelief to think that there isn’t at least some fire underneath.

    The next question to deal with is who originated the idea.

    The most explosive possibility is that the idea came from the White House. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi this morning during a jaw-dropping interview with Jake Tapper on State of the Union claimed in no uncertain terms that Barack Obama was not involved. Of course, she is making that assertion “without evidence.”

    If the Obama White House was at the bottom of this it’s going to be one of the biggest scandals in generations.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/03/05/white-house-requests-investigation-into-the-wiretap/
     
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    Wrong. Proper birth certificates are complete documents. Especially one as old as his. This was a creation via computer with many layers. That is NOT how they are, nor how one would be if scanned. It was fake, no matter how you wish to look at it.
     
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    Do you understand the ramifications for Trump if individuals in the Obama administration obtained a FISA warrant? It means that they managed to establish, with enough evidence, that Trump officials were a sufficient threat so that a judge deemed that warrant necessary.
     
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    Do you have a copy of the warrant or the Judge who issued it.
     
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    Then you are saying that Trump's original accusation was wrong?

    James Clapper and James Comey are EVIDENCE of the assertion that Obama was not involved. And then, of course, there is the fact that - like you just said - Obama would not be the one who sign off on a FISA warrant.

    And thus, Trump has demonstrated that he either does not understand the law, that he is exposing classified information, that he has obtained his information from BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS, or that he does not understand the full ramifications of his accusation.

    My guess is that all 4 apply.
     
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    I agree. Then he will declare martial law, stifle real news outlets and keep the phony ones like Fox and we'll all be expected to click heels....
     
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    It would be top secret. It's been reported on. It was reported on in October. Used as evidence that trump is dirty because the FBI is investigating him. Even possibly a FISA warrant was issued. A #Never Trump lady filed an FOIA request twice and never received it.
     
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    Trump is a frustrated birther that was forced to admit that Obama was born in the USA so he had to let his pent up flatulence out somewhere. That and needing a red herring to divert attention away from the investigation zeroing in on his swamp.
     
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    Well he clearly has a bald face and according to factcheck.org he is one of the biggest liars in politics so I believe the proof is in.
     
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    So they and you are denying a FISA warrant was issued?

    Yes or no?
     
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    Prove any of the reporting and documents that were presented as evidence are false and he made them up.
     
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    Threat of what and where are the charges that resulted from that investigation?

    What did they tell Obama to get his authorization and what steps did he take to insure it was not an attempt to influence the election from within his administration and dig up opposition research ala Watergate?

    What did Obama know and when did he know it?
     
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    See message #33
     
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    So you didn't watch the video where he PROVED it using NYT and other left leaning reports? And you called ME a loser and other names. Funny how that works. How's that foot tasting?
     
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    Like if the AG did it it wouldn't be a big deal. It's like 1,2,3 snap! wake up.
     

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