Finally: Court Subpoena For Obamas Original Long Form BC Served To Hawaii Heath Dept

Who is funding these incompetent birther lawyers?

 

Let's be clear... It's not a question of "managing".

Anyone with a case in federal court... No matter how ridiculous... can get the clerk to sign a subpoena. It's a simple matter. The person goes to the clerk's window, the clerk prints out a BLANK subpoena, signs the blank one, and the person takes it and fills out all the information (who is being subpoenad, what is being requested, dates, etc.). The FRCP states that process quite clearly. It has to be done that way, because clerks are not empowered to make decisions in court cases. They sign a blank subpoena and the party fills it out after the fact to avoid the appearance that the clerk is making any decision about its validity.

They already said, in an earlier letter to Taitz (that was gleefully posted on her site), that they will not comply.

Absolutely nothing.

 

Incompetent? I dont know, but it was Obama that just got downgraded....LOL

They should give him a break at this point since he just entered the ''One of the Worst Presidents'' Hall of fame...

 

So are the birthers paying these incompetent lawyers? If so you all are getting hosed.

BTW.. our current economic melt down is the result of 40 years of recklessness.

The Debt ceiling has been raised 78 times since 1960.

 

Thanks for commenting on the thread. I will ask you like I did Rahl, is this subpoena in any way legal?

 

One of the?
According to the US Constitution he isn't even a citizen. Even if he was born in Hawaii. His father was a foreign national.

 

OMG.. you can't read the constitution or the statutes either.. hahahahaha.

 

14Th Amendment.
Read it sometime.

 

Really? What part of the Constitution are you refering too or could you just explain it? Thanks.

 

still fighting the 14th amendment...

well good luck with THAT

 

Thanks for responding. What part of the Constitution are you refering too or could you just explain it? Thanks.

 

Obama's father was a British subject.. and subject the the jurisdiction of the US because he was attending school in Hawaii on a student visa.

Do you understand that British law doesn't trump US law on US soil?

Try reading Title 8 of the US Code under the 14th Amendment. It defines natural born US citizen..

 

Sorry that I wont allow you to rewrite it to make obama a citizen.
It's just not going to happen.

 

Read Title 8 of the US Code under the 14th Amendment.

 

And that made obama a British subject also. Something that obama openly admits.
Since the 14th Amendment doesn't allow for someone to be a citizen if they hold citizenship in another country, obama was not born a US citizen.
The only thing that can change that would be another Amendment. To date, there hasn't been one.

 

What part in it am I suppose to be looking for Margot? Thanks.

 

It is true that the 14th Amendment has the stipulation that people must be subject to the jurisdiction of the US in order to be US citizens. The definition of this phrase has been bandied about for years. But, I believe the definition of the man who inserted the phrase into the 14th should always be the best one to use:

A person's citizenship at birth is defined by not only where they are born but who they are born to. If a person is born of even one foreign national then they inherit that parents citizenship. But, in doing so they are not under the complete jurisdiction of the US. Therefore, they are not born a US citizen.

This point is further enhanced by the main architect of the 14th Amendment, John Bingham. On April 25, 1872 during a debate regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man
was a US citizen. Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:

(The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872.)

So, John Bingham, the father of the 14th Amendment, believed up to and beyond that point that all laws pertaining to citizenship in the US, including his 14th Amendment, defined citizenship as being born on US soil to two US citizen parents.

It doesn't matter where he was born. According to the 14th Amendment, he is not a US citizen.

 

No it doesn't.. That's the huge flaw in your comprehension..

Read Title 8.. British law doesn't trump US law.. If Obama had applied for dual citizenship before the age of 22, he would have done so.. Otherwise he is a US natural born citizen under US law.

 

Go to title 8 section 1401 natural born citizen.. It details exactly who is a natural born US citizen.. and should clear up any doubts you may have.

Here:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

 

I am curious Margot. Could Obama have been born with dual citizenship instead of applying for it?

 

It's legal. It's not enforceable.

Right now, the subpoena is just basically an "ask"... She's asking permission to review it.

If Hawaii refuses her request, she can file a motion in District Court to have the subpoena "executed." That makes it enforceable under the weight of law, for example, she could take an executed subpoena to a federal marshall, who would escort her to the Hawaii DOH and force them to allow her to examine the documents.

However, it won't be executed, because no judge will execute that piece of birther nonsense.

Therefore, nothing will happen if Hawaii refuses her request. Nothing.

LOL... Every court case on the issue says you're wrong. The plain text of the Amendment says you're wrong. Even the full text of the quotes you clipped shows you're wrong.

I know we've talked about the Wong Kim Ark case before, so at this point I can only conclude you're either intentionally lying or have some form of brain disease that prevents things from implanting on long-term memory.

We deal with what the law is, not what ignoramuses want it to be.

 

Yes, but he would have had to act on it before age 22.. or its void..

And that would NOT affect his natural born US citizenship status.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

 

You can't even get your talking points straight. He became a Kenyan citizen when Kenya became it's own country. IF he held citizenship in another country then he would have had to swear allegiance to Kenya before his 23RD birthday or he would have lost his Kenyan citizenship.
As I have shown, because he was born with foreign citizenship, he was not born with US citizenship. So, unless you can show any other citizenship, he is still a Kenyan citizen.
But, where ever he is a citizen, he is not a US citizen. And that is all that's important.

 

And the law on the books, the 14th Amendment, prevented obama from being born with US citizenship.
THAT is the law, Not what YOU want it to be.

 

Show me where. Quote text of the law.

Because anything other than text of the law is interpretation. And the Supreme Court holds the ultimate jurisdiction over that interpretation, and they have said, quite plainly, that I am right, and you are wrong.