Finding and Fixing the root causes of Mass Shootings

Careful, your blowing some people’s cover.

 

why did you edit out my main points?

 

Well yeah you could...

let me know when you come up with actual valid facts....otherwise it's grabbing at straws.

 

I think it is a cumulative thing. Nobody these days can be fully insulated from the Hate-Trump-All-The-Time screams and other hateful rhetoric on television or posted in social media and message boards. And even if a kid doesn't actually notice all that himself, he is nevertheless living in a culture that is focused on accusing, silencing, sensationalizing, distancing, demonizing those who think, believe, speak other than the assigned politically correct mantra of the day.

And these kids are being instructed by the worst images of humanity in the movies, on television, on social media, in electronic games and such and have no positive role models in their life that a responsible dad at home would have provided.

You put it all together and a very few are going to go off the deep end into extreme violence. When the two parent family, church, prayer, Pledge of Allegiance, etc. was the norm in American culture, we could go to Walmart without fear, and nobody was shooting up schools, churches, mosques, synagogues, or bars.

 

Would be unusual if it wasn't real .. since there are photos. But anything is possible in the Fake News Century.

 

No solution for car deaths? Seriously?

There is law after law, the roads are policed, licensing, rules, photos, fingerprints, seat belts, safety laws for car makers, etc etc etc etc .

The answer to car deaths won't be people coming to their senses...it will be people being replaced by self-driving cars.

 

Fathers are irreplaceable. They are the gold standard, everything else is substandard in my opinion. The village is raising our kids. That’s the problem.

 

Errr, check your OP.

"More boys are being raised by bitter men hating moms."

 

Right, but to jump from shooting to thinking they're all bad from one act? That's a leap. So how did we make the leap? You used the term normal. Why is that?

That was the third post and I was assuming the OP was talking about El Paso and Dayton. Because that's what sparked the creation of this thread. At least one of those is a terrorist attack. Should I have specified terrorist attack? Sure. But a charitable reading would show that I'm talking about terrorism, with the potential to make connections to mass shootings in general. You haven't talked even once about my theory, never engaged with my idea. You saw a detail that's kinda pointless to talk about. Within the context of what I was talking about, it made perfect sense to talk about right wing terrorism. A little off topic maybe, but I'm grounding an argument in it. If I can justify my argument, I can justify my conclusions. If you really want to hit me where my theory is lacking, talk about affect in relation to common crimes. Crimes of passion aren't a good fit for affect.

 

What do you mean by "no dialogue"? The reason why the drinking age is 21 across all 50 states is because there was a conversation on teen drivers and alcohol. Then we improved safety standards in cars and the number of fatalities went down.

 

Hence why so many conspiracy theories persist regarding the incident.

 

Why is that? Why are fathers that important?

 

Indeed. Too many individuals claim the purpose of motor vehicles is simple transportation, and thus does not warrant increased restrictions. In essence they are stating that a few deaths does not justify society being inconvenienced.

Statistically speaking, they are not.

The problem is ultimately the human race itself. Out of every other species to be found on the planet, only the human race is obsessed with facilitating its own destruction through any means possible, be through the usage of weapons against one another, or through destroying the environment in order to render the planet uninhabitable by the species. The species demonstrates no survival instinct, only an instinct to destroy itself. The actions of various humans suggests the species is hardwired and designed on the cellular, physical, and spiritual levels, to wipe itself out of existence. Nearly every scientific development has, in some way, been connected to facilitating the killings of more and more members of the human species. Supposedly clear nuclear energy lead to the creation of nuclear weapons to wipe out huge numbers of individuals with merely the press of a single button.

More than the obsession with killing itself, is the fixation with looking for excuses to justify that desire to kill. If there was no division of races, if there was only one homogeneous race of humans, they will justify killing one another on the basis of matters as trivial as height and eye color. It is all the species knows, and it is all the species can focus on.

 

I used term 'normal' in hyphens because thats how psychology defines things. Psychology necessarily uses the majority as a baseline, as thats the most objective baseline to use in a society that accepts change (objective in this sense is relative... psychology inherently deals only in levels of subjectivity).

If there was a 'leap' it was in basing clinical judgements off of the majority instead of a preset standard of values and behaviors. Whether 'normal' should be defined by a simple majority analysis is another debate entirely... but it does currently, so thats the dynamic we work within.

It seems as though you're attempting to lead somewhere in particular with these questions. Perhaps you could just state your position...?

 

Oh I don't know. That's why I'm asking you. I worry that I'm missing something. You're right that's how psychology defines things, but lots of things aren't normal. Glasses aren't normal. Cars aren't normal. Now we could say it's relative. But that doesn't feel right here. So I'm trying to guess why people are doing what they're doing. I guess I'm trying to find a way of distinguishing bad normal and good normal. Other than that? I'm not too sure.

 

Your honesty is refreshing

 

Ugh I'm a poor college student. I don't have much more than that lol!

 

There are lots of answers. Depends on the angle of approach. Either natural selection or a creator made it so.

Or because President Obama said so.

Or because research indicates it’s so.
https://www.fatherhood.org/fatherhood-data-statistics

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-long-reach-childhood/201106/the-importance-fathers?amp

I think it’s best for a child to learn discipline and impulse control from a man they have unconditional love for. That’s just my opinion.

 

I think stability and routine is like 90% of parenting. People think taking kids to Disneyland is important and while that's a good thing it's not everything. Kids just need stability and that doesn't cost a dollar.

I'm 28 and too many of the kids I grew up with treat their kids almost like pets to be played with occasionally then ingnored for months on end. People my age seem to have a lack of conscious and I'd how you could look yourself in the mirror knowing your not doing your duty as a parent

 

I can't see the sources because they're locked behind a pay wall, but I'm going to assume they're true. Just for the sake of conversation. There's a shortage of fathers, and that has caused serious issues. I'm also going to wave any other concerns I might have like extended family or LGBT. I'm going to assume they answer those questions.

So why then is it the job of a man to teach their children discipline and impulse control? I mean I'm not a guy so I don't get it. Can you explain it?

 

Inborn primal instincts perhaps? Something within genetics itself that dates back to the dawn of the species, and has not yet been successfully mapped out by science? There is much about the human mind that is simply not yet known.

 

I don't like those kinds of arguments. Sure we're affected by nurture but there's nature too. We can adapt to things, and we use our environments to figure out solutions to problems that we have.

 

Stephen Paddock's dad was a bank robber and a con man who was on the FBI's most wanted list.

I'd rather be raised by a man hating bitter divorcee.

 

Okay... and vice versa, I guess?