Finding and Fixing the root causes of Mass Shootings

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    In fact apparently they aren't too damn smart or they'd have figured out a long time ago that leftist are lying to them and life never gets better on the leftist plantation unless you leave it.
     
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  2. Gary/Dubya

    Gary/Dubya Well-Known Member

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    Try this pie in the sky: Fat chance of anyone with a rational mind accepting your analysis. Neither of us follow city elections and one of us has the sense to know it.
     
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    You seem to doubt that the most powerful and popular word in the democratic voters mind is "Free".... Everything will be free. And they think it's rational. Not possible, but they perceive it as rational.
     
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    Any sport, official or otherwise, where one makes the decision that such a magazine is needed.
     
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    I didn't say that. I said, "One of the root causes of mass shootings is our current President." Then I provided some of Trump's inflammatory rhetoric to prove my point that was one of the root causes.

    That is a far cry from saying that "mass shootings are caused by President Trump."

    That is a misleading statement. Mass shootings have sharply increased during the Trump administration. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

    The ban on assault weapons expired in 2004, and the number of mass shootings sharply increased under Bush. That number increased even more under Obama, the first black President. You can make the deduction.

    I don't deal in impossible hypotheticals.

    I don't deal in hypotheticals

    The answer to your question is simple. The shooters were not apolitical. One wrote a manifesto. Another recommended reading for white supremacists. The third seemed to like liberals like Warner and their free stuff.
     
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    So what explains the left wing shooter in Dayton? Is Warren one of the root causes?

    The insane left is desperate to blame everything on Trump. Logic does not apply.
     
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    Where did I say anything about spraying ammunition? But that’s what he did. Shooting at close range at a virtual broad side of a barn target he missed with around 25% of his shots. Only one fatality was from a single gunshot wound. It was a headshot. Multiple surviving wounded had multiple gunshot wounds. This murderer’s weapon was not efficient. It’s not scary. The same damage could have been inflicted with a cane knife. God forbid if he’d used a car or truck. Who knows how many he could have killed.
     
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    People are only lefties, because they aren't like you and don't want anything to do with you. You make it so everyone who doesn't buy your hogwash is a leftist, in your mind.
     
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    Screen Shot 2019-08-13 at 8.22.01 PM.png

    And, to put that further in perspective, inner city street crime violence claims over 10,000 victims EACH AND EVERY YEAR in the US.

    And, to dispel the "white supremacist mass shooter" myth...

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    White mass shooters are actually slightly underrepresented as per their percentage of the population, while blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented.
     
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    Nope there are a hell of a lot of people who just don't know any better. And others who simply don't care.
     
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    Well, the ones who don't know any better are the right wingers and the ones who don't care to join the right wingers are the rest.
     
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    Strike that reverse it. The ones who don't care don't vote.
     
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    They're just tired of hearing right-wingers, too. I can't blame them, the crap grows old.
     
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    They ain't thrilled with either BS either. In fact the number one reason I get from most not voters is that we are as interchangeable as mass produced sprockets.
     
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    Like right-wing parroting isn't a mass produced sprocket?

    There are several methods to evaluate political ideology, like the left/right one dimension method and two dimensional evaluations using individual and economic freedom parameters. You can load questions and determine if someone is a moderate, liberal, conservative, libertarian and socialist to a certain extent, but I don't think that reflects reality. It doesn't consider some people are just apolitical or hate politics and don't want to be involved. I think the reasons many don't vote varies and that many is about half of the people who can vote. Elections on a Tuesday and having a government that doesn't function doesn't help. The electoral college discourages voting.
     
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    Betts was obsessed with mass shootings. Within a week there were two Trump-inspired mass shootings. Betts was a copycat killer.

    One major difference between Warren and Trump. Warren does not use inflammatory rhetoric against those who do not look like her.
     
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    Sandy Shanks said:

    Trump thinks all the problems facing mankind can be solved with rhetoric. Today, Trump went to a great deal of trouble to convince his base that, when it comes to meaningful background checks to eliminate all the loopholes, he really means it. Of course, everyone else did not believe him because they have heard all this before and, in some cases, they knew he was outright lying.

    Later, I added that another Trump manufactured emergency would happen and the background check legislation will be eclipsed by another disaster created by Trump. All the fervor over background checks will cease and be forgotten. Trump probably has already changed his mind again, encouraged by his friends in the NRA or he has forgotten all about it because of the new crisis.

    That has happened. Yesterday, the Dow was down 800 points, the Nasdaq was down 242 points, and the S&P was down 86 points. The Dow was at 25,480, 40 points higher than it was five months ago.

    On August 1, Trump announced a 10% tariff on $300B of Chinese goods that are popular with American consumers, clothing, shoes, computers, cell phones, etc. That precipitated the worst week of the year for the stock market. The following Monday, August 5, Trump's announcement caused the worst day of the year. The Dow plunged 760 points.

    On August 12, the Dow lost 391 points, but then on August 13 The US Trade Representative announced a delay of Trump's tariffs on several categories of Chinese-made consumer goods until December 15. Those goods include cell phones, laptop computers, video game consoles, certain toys, computer monitors, and certain items of footwear and clothing, and the Dow shot up more than 400 points.

    Tariffs on popular consumer goods cause higher prices. Even Trump has grudgingly admitted that. Higher prices cause inflation. Inflation causes less demand. Less demand causes unemployment. Tariffs cause recession, Econ 101.

    On August 15, the stock market set another record. Now it is the worst day of the year. The reason, recession fears. The Times reports, "Trade-war worries hammered financial markets again on Wednesday as data from Germany and China showed trouble for manufacturing-reliant economies, while the bond market renewed fears of an American recession."

    So, we can forget about background checks until the next mass shooting of civilians in a school, mall, picnic, bar, work place, or other. Then the fervor will start up all over again with the same result. Nothing will get done as long as Trump is President and Mitch McConnell is the Senate majority leader.
     
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    People are now shooting up ICE facilities. The left wing calls for violence are bearing fruit.

    So, do you believe the El Paso shooters manifesto or not, so far your rhetoric says yes/no.

    Trying to tie the Antifa supporting Dayton shooter with Trump is just plain stupid.
     
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    The fact is you never examine the facts and spew rhetoric that is nonsense.

    I've looked at all the evidence in the Dayton shooting and no one investigating it has suggested the shooting was politically motivated. The evidence indicates the guy was a Schizophrenic, who sent out plenty of signals of being a menace to the community that were ignored, like about 80% of mass shooters do. If you want to blame someone politically, you need to blame the people who made our present gun laws the way they are and the people who supported that.
     
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    Murder is against the law. How's that working out?
     
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    It is typical for the left to blame others for the behavior of criminals.

    The El Paso shooter was radicalized before Trump came along and said the media would blame it on Trump. He proved to be right. I do wonder if you read the manifesto at all.

    The Dayton shooter was a hard left guy but hey, he was just nuts, no one's fault but his.
     
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    You need to start supporting your claims with proof. How can you prove the El Paso shooter was radicalized before tRump came along? Do you consider yourself radicalized?
     
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    Ah, so you didn't read his manifesto.
     
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    Ooooo.

    Where?! Where?!

    I loves me a nutjob manifesto.
     
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    People like you read the manifestos of these nuts and I sure as hell don't. I leave that up to the investigators, because I don't want to give a nut his intended platform, as if I care what he has to say.

    Has it ever occurred to you, there were Mexicans living in Texas before an American stepped foot in that area? It should be obvious, the problems of Texas having more than one ethnic group has radicalized people, so inclined, longer than anyone has lived, just like it does now everywhere and always has been. If you can't see the connection between what the El Paso shooter did and what tRump has said, it's only because you choose not to. tRump has obviously encouraged such behavior.
     
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