"First Israeli killed by Gaza rocket fire..."

Perhaps you should check with the Gazans before you volenteer them to heroic deaths ?

How many deaths do you think it will take for Egypt to open the border? personally I think they laugh at the death toll so far, in Arab perspective its not a massacre until it reaches thousands.

 

Because the blockade on Gaza is by Egypt.

 

Its tech possible but the Israeli gov and Egypt prefer a weak Hamas in charge than Islamic Jihad or Al Quida instead,

Peresonaly I dont see the diffrence, Hamas attacks whenever possible, dont see how it can get worse for us .......

 

Israel does not want to destroy Hamas.
Without Hamas - Gaza will be taken over by Al-Queda or other Arab Jihadists.
Sad !!! but true.

 

Clueless, utterly clueless as usual: Here, educate yourself. No need to thank me for putting you straight again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

 

From a political standpoint, I am correct.

Don't get me started on Egypt...

 

But its a crucile side in this, they hold the border pass and the only exit point Gazans have, a few might get work permits to Israel but the vast majurity count on Egypt, even Islamic Jihad prefer Egypt as negotiator than Turkey.

 

Egypt cannot disappoint Israel and the US. The main reason why the crossing is closed is because Israel wants it closed.

 

This is BS.
As usual claiming Arabs are not responsible for what they do. Anything bad they do is because some outside force made them do it.
This is accepted when a 4 years old think like that, but grownups ?
Egypt decide to close its border with Gaza. Nothing to do with Israel nor the US.

 

Israel signed an agreement with Hamas while Egypt added the open Rafah border on thier side, Egypt alone closed it when Sisi fought the MB and Hamas, its not about Israel its about Egyptian politics.

 

Because all that blockade is doing is preventing goods from being transferred which can be used militarily.

 

Speaking of killing ratio... A hamas rocket hit a bunch of cows grazing and killed 30 cows... would this be included in the killing ratio?

 

The Poles are the last or shall I say the bottom last to speak about humanitarianism... 70 years ago 3 Million Jews were slaughtered in Poland... Yad Va Shem is depicting a token that dreaded to save Jews... Does any one know how many are 3 Million people in relation to what goes in Gaza???

 

A massacre is identical to what would have happened to a population of 8 Million in Israel, if the Hamasnic would have had the upper hand.

 

Utter claptrap.

Gazans enjoy the same right to self defence as Israel does. And as long as they are blockaded they have the right to fire on those who would blockade them.

The blockade prevents all kinds of trade and free movement of people, both across the sea and through the air.

Thats why Hamas has no interest in surrendering - stopping rocket fire would neither prevent further Israeli attacks or end their imprisonment.

 

The only way to end their "imprisonment" is to negotiate a real peace agreement, something Hamas is simply not interested in doing.

Armed resistence accomplishes nothing except death, destruction and misery. OTOH, the Israelis could not play the "victims of terror" card if Palestinians strategy was one of non-violent resistence.
A few videos of IDF troops firing on peaceful demonstrations would do way more to advance Palestinian independence than tens of thousands of rockets.

 

They declared war and have yet to sign a peace treaty hence, are still in a war of their own making. The blockade is legal and their concentration of firing almost exclusively at civilians as well as the use of their own civilians to aid their acts of terrorism is a crime against humanity. As for being imprisoned, when they had freedom they chose war and to this day the warmongering terrorists still chose war a over all else including the lives and welfare of their children and civilians. To surrender and begin peace is as you say is of no interest to them.

 

There is plenty of blame to go around. I am fully aware of the neo-zionists aim of annexing the entire west bank, for instance, which makes negotiations with those palestinians who desire the liberation of all of historic palestine rather problematic.


However, I do blame the palestinians for a tremendously stupid strategy, that plays directly into the neo-zionist narrative.

 

No actually the hundred or so rockets a day had way more to do with it. The murder of the teens provided gave him the emotional "spark".

 

I really can't understand people who call what's going on in Gaza a massacre..
1,500 air strikes, 250 dead(that means 1 dead in every 7 airestrikes), half of them terrorists. Ofcurse it's really unfortunate for every innocent life taken, but I think some people here didn't learn the meaning of the word "massacre".

 

No. Palestine was trying to ask for a cease-fire the second day into these aggressions , but Israel was the one that refused. They waited till they could bomb Palestine- causing great damage to it's infrastructure, and of course the death, instability, and fear that comes with it- before talking about a cease-fire after eight days.

When you've already bombed them into mass-exodus, what's the real honor in calling for a cease-fire? For the sake of three kids killed under questionable circumstances, all this carnage and this farce of a "cease-fire" which the Palestinians only had under an hour to actually review anyway before being brought to meet the Israeli officials. At max, 5 hours to negotiate the terms of a cease-fire? No sale.

 

First, happy to meet one intelligent and analytic Israeli. I will use here and there terms like "Israelis" or "zionists" (I like the "neo-zionist" subtelty), but please understand that they are but generalities, without which discussion would be a tedious chore. I know that individuals varies.

With that out of the way, yes, the Palestinians' strategy is nowhere near Ghandi's. It is a spectacular failure - as is Israel's progress at getting accepted in the levant, it seems. But I think people are mistaken in believing that the Palestinians are one genuine hive whose individual soldiers instantly react from whatever chemical reaction sent by their queens. Like those extremist colonists that are eating away the (yet relatively stable) West Bank, some of them are just stupid loose canons, that act on their own individual initiative.

Yet, Israel hasn't missed one of these occasions, haven't they? Hamas ought to "control" every citizen in a society where hatreds run deep against the oppressors for near a century. Why did they created Hamas unless is as to perpetrate Palestinian divison? And worse - the golem actually got democratically elected, yet Israel, my country along with the Anglosphere, hypocrits who pretend to democracy, refused to recognized them as such, still refering to them as a "terrorist organisation". I am quit a few years old, and I don't thin there was a single Palestian leader Israel didn't held (or executed) as a "terrorist".

My belief? The status quo serves Israel just fine: While the Palestinians are calm, they eat out their territory in the sweet, juicy West Bank (while excluding the local from being actual Israeli citizens), and when they are agitated, they give the necessary excuse to go forward Eretz Yisrael, as the local untermenschen clearly cannot be reasonned with. Israel, in the short- to medium-term, is winning. Why would they agree to peace?

In these conditions, peace is simply not feaseable from a Palestian initiative. What they want or what they do is irrelevant to that end.

 

They wanted war they got it. Israel is under no obligation other than to protect it's own people and try to minimize innocent lives despite Hamas's intentional endangerment. They only allow for ceasefire a out of compassion for the Palestinian victims of Hamas to get relief.

 

Compassion would pre-suppose empathy. IMO they do it out of PR concerns. Hey but fear not - the terrori... I mean, the Palestians will account for it later on, somehow.

 

I hear this, and I'm not saying you're wrong. But, if there's such a blockade/siege on the area and the people don't have free movement, how would they get in??