'Foreign actors' accessed Hillary Clinton emails, documents show

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  1. ThorInc

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    Have you seen the evidence that the judge has reviewed?
     
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    Have you? What " evidence" supercedes the Constitution?

    Did Manafort threaten anyone? He's a mob boss?
     
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    You are questioning the judge's ruling to incarcerate some that was tampering with witnesses.........the judge has ruled after reviewing the evidence presented. Those are facts.
     
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    Clinton was charged with the exact same thing...but, somehow avoided being jailed over it.

    Was there a specific NO CONTACT ORDER given? Manafort contacted POTENTIAL WITNESSES, not "SLATED WITNESSES", in the interest of his OWN DEFENSE.

    He threatened no one. This is an outrage; it is nothing more than the Witch Hunt using a hand picked, Witch Hunt-friendly-TDS judge to bully Manafort for his defense's legal actions in Virginia...nothing more. It's disgraceful.
     
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    He’s not been convicted has he?
     
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    He's been jailed and denied bond without being convicted. An allegation predicated on an informants "feelings" about a text was all it took. Manafort has to prove his innocence to get out of jail.
     
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    Because he was tampering with witnesses and trying to get them to change their testimony. He is in jail to further prevent this for occurring or continuing while his case comes up for litigation.
     
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    Are you against all Pretrial detention or only for rich republicans?
     
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    He was jailed on an allegation. He's in jail, without having been found guilty by a jury of his peers. Mello accused another poster of applying a "guilty until proven innocent" standard unfairly. I contrasted Mellos reaction to a hypothetical to Mello et al. reaction to a tangible. Manafort.
     
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    But Mueller, the guy who got his bail revoked is a republican too right? Maybe I'm not interested in political affiliation, just judicial application. If Manafort threatened a witness, I wouldn't question Bermans decision. The new indictment allows Berman to impose very specific conditions i.e. "no contact" provisions ... Manafort wasn't under courts order not to contact his colleagues. Manaforts bail was revoked because Mueller accused him of committing a crime while out on bail, but Mueller hasn't proven that. It's a dirty trick to exert duress, and you know it as well as I do.
     
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    Was Manafort given a list of people NOT to contact? The Judge just now ordered Muller to turn over the names of the two people Manafort allegedly contacted. Sounds like Mueller is desperate for ANY kind of a case to justify the $7+ million dollar price tag for this fishing expedition.
     
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    I have not see, or been provide any source that indicates a "no contact" provisions was attached to conditions of Manaforts release. Berman didn't cite Manafort for contempt, or violating a courts order.
     
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    The evidence of the witness tampering was produced to the presiding judge & the judge ruled in the best interest of the upcoming trial. What is it that you can't grasp?
     
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    I grasp Mueller's contention, but I don't agree, or even believe the what's being purported as Bermans rationale. I suspect bias on the part of both. I don't understand how you didn't pick up on that right away.
     
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    So again, an opinion not based on reality and the facts.........head in the "sand" much?
     
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    The grand jury indicted him, let’s not pretend this was all Muellers call.
    A poorer criminal would have been in jail this entire time because they couldnt make bail. I’m supposed to feel bad this rich crook is being treated like anyone else?
     
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    Of course you do, no republican is ever guilty even when they’re convicted in a court of law!
     
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    Bermans decision is all about opinions. Hers ... Mueller's ... some guy named D1 ...
     
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    Now it's classism? I specifically stated arraignment would give Berman her opening. Impose new provisions, raise the bond requirement, whatever. Justice would be suspending the trial slated to begin this month, until Mueller get's his conviction on the new indictment for tampering with witnesses he might not even call. Mueller, can at any time dismiss the new indictment, so without pressing Mueller to prove his allegation of tampering, we have no way to assess it's validity. Meanwhile Manafort is denied bail.
     
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    My profiles security setting is "open" ... maybe screenshot my defense of a republican who was at the time, a convicted felon, OK?
     
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    No it's the facts, the report is overflowing with examples of bias and this is not a criminal trial this is merely an IG report. He is not a criminal investigator he investigates to see if people violated department policy. All he said is that no one testified that they used that bias in a decision and they didn't leave any emails or text EXPLICITLY saying they did. But we see the the EXTREME bias these agents held and their statements of intent to block Trumps election and then presidency and we see the events with regards to the investigations and the timelines and it's laughable to assert those opinions did not influence their decisions and drive their desires to try and ensure a Clinton presidency and then a Trump impeachment.
     
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    These are people dumb enough to use their work phones for an affair. If they were doing things wrong we’d know.
     
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    USA Today editorializes: Former FBI director James Comey put personal views above rules and damaged the FBI.
     
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    If they did they would have had to provide a "no contact" list. Manafort been around Washington long enough to know the system well enough to figure out their case is falling apart. Especially since the judge is an activist Democrat.
     
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