Former LGBTQers Testify: If You No Longer Want to Be Gay or Transgender, You Don't Have to Be

Based on what? Unsupported opinion or telepathy?

None. Just like homosexual pedophila. Where in God's name did you think it was acceptable to me anywhere in any post I made?

as I said you can be as bigoted as you like against organized religion. Its your choice. No one is forcing you to be a Christian so dont try to force your beliefs on it. Pretty simple.

Is this personal experience or something?

I could care less what you think about organized religion. It doesn't change the reality of what I said at all.

LOL You want me to roll over and die because you don't like my opinion or religion? Stop trying to force others to believe what you want. Start your own religion.

You can complain about your treatment by family members and that still doesn't give you the right to force your relgious beliefs on Christians just because you dont like your own family and their beliefs.

So you are pretending the Bible does not consider homosexualitry a sin. Are you really going with that fantasy before I quote it?

 

LOL Such delciious fantasy. And of course no evidence whatsoever its true but it did make me laugh.

LOL Now you sound like you're channeling Matthew Harrison Brady.

Wow this is so telling. So Christians in your mind should ignore the Bible and their beliefs because you think people who believe like you do will be shunned from their families?

Did everyone in your family or these fantasy families of your theory just lose their free will to choose what religion they follow and now must force others to believe the way they do? How very Islamic of you. Mohammad had the exact same idea presenting his ideas for religion to both Christianity and Judaism and when both rejected them where he departs from your argument is he made his own religion. Why not follow that example?

 

Nothing about condemning gays until the 18th century? So someone revised the bible and added it?

Who told you this? And lied?

I was born into Christianity and conditioned to be Christian, orthodox and yet chose not to remain . The god of the old testament didnt act like god worthy of my worship. Rationally it was unacceptable.

The god, father of Christ was different from the god the jews believed in. That god didnt want you to kill anyone in his name nor did he seem like a murderer of his creation.

So I was forced into agnosticism using the mind that god created. ..if he exists.

 

no it's based on your programmers Behavior actions and statements and yours as well but they're not your own they have to take it out what was you in and place it in a cup identity

where you said some heterosexual pedophilia not all. When you use the word some in that context and indicates not all

actually yes I was forced to be Christian most Christians are your parents sacrifice you to your cult that's how they operate. You are not meant to have a choice.

No it's universal. Cults are designed to pressure people into joining. They do this by convincing their members to shun non-members.

I think you really do care cuz here you are ranting and raving at me.

you know what I'm saying is truth and nobody gets more hate than someone who says the truth. You would rather hear the sweet sweet lies of everyone that agrees with you. It's easier I've been there I know.

I have it's called Christianity. if you don't like that name that I chose for it good that's the point I want it to piss you off I want you to rage and throw a little temper like you are. Because that does better at exposing the truth than anything else I can say.

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anybody. I'm just stating why your religion is wrong. If you disagree that's your business.

no, just pointing out that it was edited to say it was a sin in the 18th century

You can quote the edits that won't be an argument against my point, it'll be a confirmation of it.

 

Typical cult behavior to dismiss anything critical of it. Like telling a Scientologist, an E-meter is hokem.

No Christians should take the Bible with a grain of salt.

No they gave it up willingly [ IslamQUOTE]veryic of you. Mohammad had the exact same idea presenting his ideas for religion to both Christianity and Judaism and when both rejected them where he departs from your argument is he made his own religion. Why not follow that example?[/QUOTE]I am, I'm here preaching. You don't have to read it.

 

It's worthless to bother telling you. You have closed your mind off to it because that is what religion does.

So why waste my breath? You are the seeds scattered in the thornbriar.

But somehow a concept formed in the 18th century traveled back in time to tribal people's with no concept of numbers greater than twelve?

 

Doesn't your post previous to this one state that you don't respect a man who cheats on his wife who they have kids?

Actually, here's a fun bit I never knew. The word Homosexual doesn't show up into the Bible until the early 1900s. The translations prior to that all show that it seemed to mean pedophile.

https://www.forgeonline.org/blog/20...WSOyWK3hZeSlU_C0E4stcL6JDxpd2ZsCemaIIpnvk90D8

 

The concept of homosexuality was developed in the 19th century. I think the "retranslation" was simply created to react to it. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the term "transgender" magically appear in it within the next decade.

 

Loving someone is NOT a "sin"!

1 Samuel 18

18 David finished talking to Saul. After that, Jonathan became David’s closest friend. He loved David as much as he loved himself.

1 Peter 4:8

Above everything, love one another earnestly, because love covers over many sins.

 

What is the difference between straights engaging in blowjobs and anal intercourse and gays engaging in the identical behavior?

Why do you ACCEPT that behavior for one group and not the other? That is just bigotry pretending to be "religious morality" which is negated by your "word of god" since it includes passages where gays express their love for each other.

 

Awesome research!

Thank you for sharing that!

 

Thanks for posting that.

 

I've never respected him for that and had we ever met and he tried to brag to me about it I would have told him so to his face. I personal to this day don't like him never have and have been quite clear about that on this board.

 

I'm sure the woman caught in adultery thought she was loving people. God's standard for sex is one man and one woman in a life long marriage relationship. Millions dead of AIDS would be alive if they had listened to that. It's almost as if God knew what He was talking about.

 

Absolute nonsense, debunked here:

https://www.redeemer.com/redeemer-r...e_and_same_sex_relationships_a_review_article

"Vines and Wilson claim that scholarly research into the historical background show that biblical authors were not forbidding all same sex relationships, but only exploitative ones — pederasty, prostitution, and rape. Their argument is that Paul and other biblical writers had no concept of an innate homosexual orientation, that they only knew of exploitative homosexual practices, and therefore they had no concept of mutual, loving, same-sex relationships.

These arguments were first asserted in the 1980s by John Boswell and Robin Scroggs. Vines, Wilson and others are essentially repopularizing them. However, they do not seem to be aware that the great preponderance of the best historical scholarship since the 1980s — by the full spectrum of secular, liberal and conservative researchers — has rejected that assertion. Here are two examples.

Bernadette Brooten and William Loader have presented strong evidence that homosexual orientation was known in antiquity. Aristophanes' speech in Plato's Symposium, for example, tells a story about how Zeus split the original human beings in half, creating both heterosexual and homosexual humans, each of which were seeking to be reunited to their “lost halves” — heterosexuals seeking the opposite sex and homosexuals the same sex. Whether Aristophanes believed this myth literally is not the point. It was an explanation of a phenomenon the ancients could definitely see — that some people are inherently attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite sex.

Contra Vines, et al, the ancients also knew about mutual, non-exploitative same sex relationships. In Romans 1, Paul describes homosexuality as men burning with passion “for one another” (verse 27). That is mutuality. Such a term could not represent rape, nor prostitution, nor pederasty (man/boy relationships). Paul could have used terms in Romans 1 that specifically designated those practices, but he did not. He categorically condemns all sexual relations between people of the same sex, both men and women. Paul knew about mutual same-sex relationships, and the ancients knew of homosexual orientation. Nonetheless “Nothing indicates that Paul is exempting some same-sex intercourse as acceptable.” (Loader, Making Sense of Sex, p.137).

I urge readers to familiarize themselves with this research. A good place to start is the Kindle book by William Loader Sexuality in the New Testament (2010) or his much larger The New Testament on Sexuality (2012). Loader is the most prominent expert on ancient and biblical views of sexuality, having written five large and two small volumes in his lifetime. It is worth noting that Loader himself does not personally see anything wrong with homosexual relationships; he just — rightly and definitively — proves that you can’t get the Bible itself to give them any support."

 

You can debate until your fingertips are blue, you re not qualified to call for the operation of the mind. Only they know for sure.

 

Be careful about how much fast food you eat. They're putting estrogen in it to try to take the masculine edge off of men. If you start developing breasts, you know you're getting too much.

One the other hand if you're an eleven year old girl and want more up front faster, that's your fare.

 

So your Debunking is from a site called "Redeemer" which is a church and ministries website, and nothing in the "debunking" says anything about the translations of language within these older bibles.

Perhaps again, with something less bias and more about the actual post I made? Something not from a church website?

 

The post I was responding to was from this guy, he isn't biased? By your reasoning we should dismiss what he says.

"After a decade-long career in ministry himself, Justin decided to reconcile his faith with his sexuality, which resulted in the eventual loss of his job. Since then he has been studying and pushing conversations towards LGBTQ+ inclusion in the Church."

One of the sources in my link is a scholar who sees nothing wrong with gay behavior but is honest enough to say the Bible doesn't support that position.

Here's a view on the word 'arsenokoitai' Paul uses in the NT when referring to homosexuality:

https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-does-arsenokoitai-mean/

 

Yeah, please stop with teh religious websites.

 

After you stop with the gays promoting their agenda websites. You inability to respond to the facts I presented is noted.

 

Lol right. Every website that isn't a church website is promoting the "gay agenda" whatever the F that is supposed to mean.

 

This thread is discussing gay issues — why does the religiously affiliated have to interject their beliefs into every single issue. When did we turn into Iraq?

 

Not true, you didn't read my post or you would have seen the Biblical scholar who personally thinks there is nothing wrong with the gay lifestyle but is honest enough to say the Bible doesn't support his position.

 

Same way the religiously unaffiiated interject their views, when did we turn into North Korea?