France and Germany to Develop New European Fighter Jet

Bureaucracy-like staff, full of unnecessary officers between high command and regular soldiers? Just guessing from the nickname.

 

Thanks for the old rocket from the 50th. Is that all you have? You dont even have the capability to leave earths orbit. We have a craft orbiting a comet. We have a craft in orbit of Mars and venus. Launched by our Ariane V.

Btw Thomas reiter used the Space Shuttle. Thats american.

What we import is mostly gas. You produce nothing of any higher value. Name me a high tech product Germany imports from Russia. Just one.

 

An easy task for a nation like Germany that lands space probes on a comet. There are only 3 nations in the world that play in that league. USA, Germany and Japan.

If you believe a technological giant like Germany cant build a 5th gen fighter jet, than you are foolish.

 

A word of wisdom.

 

No. What we call french of papers is people who have a french identity card but doesn't consider themselve french, but algerian, senegalese. Their is no problem to like your origins, disrespecting your homeland is something else.
It's because in french we speak of "identity papers" and not "identity card".

But globally, french army was never good led since the revolution and Napoleon. He was a poor leader, and his politics finally harmed more France than something else (and not just France). A lot of generals during the napoleon army were people who were born poor and got only promotions for their credit.

It was a time when half black people like the Knight of St George (to be fair, that man was already like during the end of the kingdom) or Thomas Dumas (the father of the guy who invented the three musketeers) could become general.
One of the most epic general of this time could be Jean Baptiste Bernadotte, born as a simple commoner, he became a general, then he succeeded to become king of Sweden. He was faithfull to his new kingdom and didn't supported Napoleon when he came back to power. He is the ancestor of nowodays king of Sweden.

It's sad that skilled man could reach the status of general only during a crisis. German were much better at picking generals, they had Erwin Rommel and Walther Wenck.

 

Please point out where I said that.


I said they can't do it in 7 years, which is the absolute truth.

Edit:
The A380 took nearly 20 years to develop and build.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A380

 

France is already building Rafales, Germany have high technologies too, what's the matter ?

 

Did you read article? Or me specifying date was NOT enough?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sojus_TM-22 - 1. 9. 9. 5. OUR rocket. And not "outdated" and not from "50th", if you need that explained too. It gets modified, and it is in use today.

An inanimate object. Not a human being, but inanimate object. And again - Союз is made for orbit-far travel, not for leaving planet's orbit. Designed that way - and used that way. You do not knit with nails, you use knitting needles.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/...cured-blockchain-technology-tested-in-moscow/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...st-radical-pulse-detonation-super-rocket.html

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-05/18/c_136293017.htm

...these are but few. I do not know how the vaccine made from Gamaleya's epidemiology center works - but I have trust in our medicine. If they say it works - I expect there will be good results.

Only YOU won't see it on BBC, CNN or other foreign media outlets. Just keep in mind - if your media does not finds it necessary to deliver such news on gilded plate - it does not mean they are not happening. Usually that kind of situation does not requires an explanation.



Oh, wait - you said "imports from Russia". Oh well, why won't you first tell me what kind of high tech Germany exports to Russia?

 

What ? French can too. Our scientific are brillant but our nation is ill managed and too corrupted.

 

The US is the only country with a 5th gen fighter in production. The Chinese are next with the J20 even though it's not expected to be nearly as capable as the F22 that it copies.

 

The chinese are numberous, but they have much less engineers than France and Germany combined. If the big research center are mostly in the US, France, Germany (and Italy too) produce a lot of good engineers and scientifics.

German however don't have any debt and less corruption, so they're more efficient.

Italy and France have to spend the biggest of their political effort to pay their debt and stop increasing it.

Even USA companies are filled with european scientists. I was speaking with a french search recently, in the US he could be paid 6000 USD +, in France only 1500 euros (it's really low). We lack of good labotaries.

I think it's one of the biggest strenght of the USA, you're still able to attract the brillant people of around the world. I don't want to be offensive, but I don't think it's just with your native you could stay the most powerfull country in the world.

 

Sobo, I can give you at least two
1. NT-MDT. Produces Atomic Force Microscopes and Near-Field Optical Microscopes. http://www.ntmdt-si.com/ They are imported by Germany.
2. High-power fiber lasers: Russian based company IPG Photonics (by the way, the biggest consorcium in the world that makes the best high power lasers in the world):
http://www.ipgphotonics.com/en
They have even research and development facilities near Frankfurt.
These guys supply lasers mainly for heavy industry in Germany.

 

I've never claimed that the US doesn't actively recruit the best people in their field, no matter where they were born.

A couple Germans were at the center of the Manhattan Project.

 

Yes, danish too.

I'm just saying that Europe is good at producing good scientists, but rather bad at keeping them. We have the scientists to make that kind of project, we can succeed.

 

Talented people go to where the money and excitement are. For some, that means being an obscure scientist in the bowels of CERN. For others, it's designing and building the tools of war. The American people seem to be an adventurous, war mongering culture even if our culture is such a melting pot. It stands to reason that we would push the boundaries of war so far.

 

I rest my case.

They are not airborne because of a crazy flight/maintenance ratio.

Modern battlefield? Yes, as long as these battlefields do not include WWII-type radar. I am far from being sold to either "5th gen" fighters, BVR combat and stealth.

 

Wrong, development was done in 5 years. The rest is performing tests demanded by flight security.

 

Your bullshit sites tried to install virus on my pad. What else can one expect from russkies....typical.

And all tech you use is made in Germany. Best example your highspeed train is from Siemens.

 

Producing arms is expensive. First of all that kind of project needs market, someone must buy these future airplanes and pay for them. And actually only government can create such a market. The huge US military industry exists because their army, their air force and navy buy huge amount of aircrafts, vessels and other weapons. The Swedish small military industry exists because Swedish army buys its products. China can move its own big projects because Chinese armed forces need a lot of weapons. That's why China may spend billions of dollars and succeed with its not-so-good-scientists there where Europeans lose.
Who would buy European 5th generation fighter? It's a question with no response.

 

You answered your own question. Europewn nations buy it. And bonus is when others buy too. Germany is leading in weapon sales like submarines, tanks and frigates. Fighter jets would be a nice addition.

 

European nations buy what they want. Just several months ago Poland ****ed up France over the helicopter deal. They preferred the US helos instead of French ones: France angry with Poland after it scraps Airbus deal
Denmark buys the US F-35s: Denmark backs Lockheed Martin's F-35 for $3 billion fighter jet deal
So, no. European nation do not buy it. You are wrong.
Anything else?

 

Then the project is in trouble.

 

No it is not.

 

The last I read, Russia is now self sufficient in everything. ..and that includes parts. They are dependent on no country... the same way the Soviet Union was. And talking about the Soviet Union, Hitler made the mistake of thinking that Stalin only had 5 thousand tanks and it turned out to be 35 thousand... and they were better than the German tanks.

So if I were Nato, I would be careful. Things are not always the way they appear...

 

By the way, where is Prussia today?