France maintains hardline stance on no-deal Brexit

cerberus · Apr 9, 2019

The Rhetoric of Life said: ↑

The EU is made up of countries who in history are our enemies traditionally and it's selling us this illusion of trading with enemies to make us friends.
Trade deals should be between countries who already are friends, instead of between countries who aren't friends in the hopes that they become friends.

The failed EU tried this, and will probably fall after Brexit unless the EU tightens its grip on the EU27 to save itself.
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Oh it's going to fall alright, not least because without our contributions they can't afford to continue bailing out failing member states without bankrupting the ECB. 'End of Le Grande Projet'?? And not a moment too soon!

And yet it all seemed such a good idea at the time?

cerberus · Apr 9, 2019

alexa said: ↑

Absolutely not. That is as crazy as Thatcher comparing a Nations spending to a families weekly budget.

That is because you have chosen to compare two things which are not alike. The EU can be changed. That is what Diem 25 is working on and it possibly is also what the far right are working on. Voting for who you want to represent yourself in Parliament is not the same as choosing a mate. Whoever gave you that analogy was trying to fool you.

OK this is a bit too extreme for me. It is really past the point of discussion. I do know that one of the main reasons the EU came into being was to keep Europe from engaging in wars which resulted in the deaths of millions of people. There may also have been a capitalist component and that can be changed by choice and work. Keeping Europe from war may be more difficult. There are already some of The English creating a unhealthy hate response towards Germany that has already got some wondering if the UK leaving the EU could be the start of inter Europe hatred and more killing of millions. We are in very much the same situation as we were prior to WW2. We have a depression/recession which Europe has not recovered from, we have a situation where people do not trust their political elites. we have people complaining about Globalisation, we have a massive number of refugees who new political movements/parties are trying to get people to blame and hence divert their anger which has substance towards the failing economic system instead onto the other - at great danger to their well being. We have seen it all before. To act in the same way as last time obviously illustrates no appreciation of history and to be frank would suggest people very vulnerable to manipulation. You have said you had some connection to Buddhism so you will know that the Buddha said we create our own world. We have. If we want change we also have the possibility of doing that creatively respecting everyone. Or we can turn the other way and go back to killing millions of innocents. Given how near we are to extinction catastrophe and how much more likely that is to result in more wars which themselves will make extinction all the more likely, I would suggest we need to think in a less selfish and more constructive manner. It is a free choice and the consequenses will be a result of that choice.
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How insufferably patronizing!

cerberus · Apr 9, 2019

VotreAltesse said: ↑

Not really. French farmers tend to vote for Marine Le Pen and have very high suicide rate, one of the highest of France. They paid a very heavy price in all the free trade policies. Despite they feed the country, they're one of the less considered people of the country.
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It's the same as the farmers here in the UK are neglected and ignored by the ruling classes. They have to put up with animals and machinery being stolen more or less on a daily basis, but nobody cares about them. It's sickening that the hardest and the most needed workers are so cynically abused by the parasites.

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