French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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  1. Grau

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    According the the ADL,(1) there are far more people around the world who do not believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) than do. I suspect that many others who do not believe the SHN claimed to believe it because 14 supposed democracies have criminalized "holocaust denial". Others who claimed to believe the SHN certainly did so out of fear of retaliation at home or work.
    More than a few professional people have been denied tenure, lost their jobs & faced other forms of persecution at the hands of the vengeful JDL & other tentacles of the Holocaust Industry.

    The SHN is a lie that simply must have the JDL goons, the ADL & State mandated laws to protect it from the sunlight of honest examination & open discussion.

    Virtually all of holocaust mythology is based on uncorroborated stories that in most cases have been proven as false:

    EXCERPT "French historian Germain Tillion, a specialist of the Second World War period, has warned that former camp inmates who lie are, in fact,

    ...very much more numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the concentration camp world -- well designed, alas, to stimulate sado-masochistic imaginations -- offered them an exceptional field of action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half-swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation. We have known others of them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds strove to even go beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people said happened to them." CONTINUED

    G. Tillion, "Le Systeme concentrationnaire allemand," Revue de l'histoire de la Deuxieme Guerre mondiale, July 1954. (Quoted in: IHR Newsletter, No. 59, July 1988, pp. 5, 6.) (2)

    Additionally:

    EXCERPT "Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz, who was himself interned in the ghetto of Kaunas (Lithuania) during the war, criticized what he called the "hyperhistorical" nature of most Jewish "survivor testimony." He wrote that "most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." CONTINUED

    Jewish Social Studies (New York: Conference on Jewish Relations), Jan. 1950, Vol. 12, pp. 65-66. (2)

    Meanwhile, thousands of innocent POWs were executed based on the testimony of: "... numerous mentally damaged persons, half-swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation."




    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust"
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html
     
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    Those "facts" were addressed a long, long time ago in a trial that took place after the war in Nuremberg. It was the first decision ever of what we now call "crimes against humanity".

    You just prefer to overlook that fact. Which is a notion/belief that you may wish to explain. Just why do you keep suggesting that the facts behind the most significant crime-against-humanity judgment in human history are all falsehoods ... ?
     
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    Why do you say it's proof positive? It's just the mainstream media. Check out this article and the one Grau posted.
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html

    You seem to have a foregone conclusion. If you don't use the scientific method when you do research, you may come to an erroneous conclusion.
     
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    You may not be aware that Wikipedia is unreliable when it comes to topics relating to the Mid East, Israel, the holocaust due to being infested with an organized State supported group of trained, paid & scripted Hasbara Trolls.


    "Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups"
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

    EXCERPT "Now two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

    Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."CONTINUED

    AND:

    "Wikipedia Editing Courses Launched by Zionist Propaganda Machine"



    Additionally, the Nuremberg "trials" in no way resembled legal proceedings as most people understand them and were widely condemned by numerous ethical American jurists & political figures as being a "high grade lynching", and numerous other negative characterizations:

    EXCERPT "Robert Jackson, the chief US prosecutor and a former US Attorney General, declared that the Nuremberg Tribunal "is a continuation of the war effort of the Allied nations" against Germany. He added that the Tribunal "is not bound by the procedural and substantive refinements of our respective judicial or constitutional system ..." CONTINUED (1)

    Finally, the only "evidence" produced by these numerous lynchings over the years has been tortured confessions, false testimony by paid professional "witnesses" and Charles F. Wennerstrum, an Iowa Supreme Court justice who served as presiding judge in the Nuremberg trial of German generals declared: ""If I had known seven months ago what I know today, I would never have come here,"



    (1) "International Military Tribunal, Trial of the Major War Criminals... ("blue series"), IMT, Vol. 19, p. 398. (Testimony of July 26, 1946).
     
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    From a teary-eyed WWII German veteran a :rose: for you, my brave and kind American friend! Thank you for standing up and defending my brothers, my country.
     
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    I've already posted the numerous ways in which the Nuremberg show "trials" were no different than what would expect from a totalitarian lynch mob & were widely condemned by ethical participants.
    They proved only that the Allies won the war and that the WJC (World Jewish Congress) was successful in implementing the subsequent "trials" (1) for later exploitation & propaganda by the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry.

    Since the beginning of this thread, not one person who blindly believes the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) has been able to refute the simple facts I've listed in Post # 500 that make the SHN impossible.

    They all claim that they have already been answered and either run away, change the subject, go off topic or talk about me but not one adherent to the fragile holocaustian cult can refute even one point.

    You have chosen to evade the facts by trying to change the subject & make it about me.

    Please try to stay on topic by addressing my Post #500 if you are able.



    (1) WJC official Rabbi Maurice Perlzweig claimed in 1949 that "it was the WJC which had secured the holding of the Nuremberg Trials ..." See: "W.J.C. Claims: The Nuremberg Trials," Jewish Chronicle (London), Dec. 16, 1949, p. 17.
     
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    I'm simply interested in the truth & surprised that anyone could believe that the Nuremberg "trials" could be anything but a dressed up lynching party.
    As much as I am loyal to my country, I care enough about it to criticize its actions when it is wrong however, numerous ethical Americans were disgusted with the fraudulent proceedings initiated by the WJC:


    "The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust"
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html
    EXCERPT "In Congress, US Representative Lawrence H. Smith of Wisconsin declared: "The Nuremberg trials are so repugnant to the Anglo-Saxon principles of justice that we must forever be ashamed of that page in our history ... The Nuremberg farce represents a revenge policy at its worst." /14 Another Congressman, John Rankin of Mississippi, stated: "As a representative of the American people I desire to say that what is taking place in Nuremberg, Germany, is a disgrace to the United States... A racial minority, two and a half years after the war closed, are in Nuremberg not only hanging German soldiers but trying German businessmen in the name of the United States." /15

    Probably the most courageous condemnation was by US Senator Robert A. Taft, widely regarded as the "conscience of the Republican party." At considerable risk to his political career, he denounced the Nuremberg enterprise in an October 1946 speech. "The trial of the vanquished by the victors cannot be impartial no matter how it is hedged about with the forms of justice," he said. Taft went on: /16

    About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the eleven men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we will long regret. In these trials we have accepted the Russian idea of the purpose of trials -- government policy and not justice -- with little relation to Anglo-Saxon heritage. By clothing policy in the forms of legal procedure, we many discredit the whole idea of justice in Europe for years to come."CONTINUED
     
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    Forced confessions from tortured victims can never be used as legal evidence of their guilt, but the Russians and the Americans did just that and got away with it.
    Example:

    [​IMG]

    Pennsylvania judge Edward L. Van Roden and Texas Supreme Court Justice Gordon Simpson were members of a three-man commission to investigate the torture and abuse of German defendants in American-run war crime trials.

    Their Simpson Commission report examined the 139 death sentences against Germans which at that time had not been executed. The cases against the 139 doomed men fell into three groups: Germans accused of involvement in crimes at the Dachau concentration camps, in the killing of American fliers, or in the Malmédy incident.

    Van Roden stated in an article in The Progressive magazine that he was shocked at the methods used to obtain confessions from German defendants:

    Our investigators would put a black hood over the accused’s head and then punch him in the face with rubber hose. Many of the German defendants had teeth knocked out. Some had their jaws broken.

    All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair. This was Standard Operating Procedure with American investigators.

    Van Roden stated that German prisoners who still refused to sign false statements faced more improper treatment:
    [​IMG]


    Sometimes a prisoner who refused to sign was led into a dimly lit room, where a group of civilian investigators, wearing U.S. Army uniforms, were seated around a black table with a crucifix in the center and two candles burning, one on each side. “You will now have your American trial,” the defendant was told.

    The sham court passed a sentence of death. Then the accused was told, “You will hang in a few days, as soon as the general approves this sentence: but in the meantime sign this confession and we can get you acquitted.”
    Some still wouldn’t sign. We were shocked by the crucifix being used so mockingly.

    Van Roden concluded: “Unless these crimes committed by Americans are exposed by us at home, the prestige of America and American justice will suffer permanent and irreparable damage.”


    Read the full article here:
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/3-good-men-nuremberg-american-attorneys-pursuit-justice/
    ------
    Unfortunately, Van Roden and colleagues' exposure did nothing back home. The American torturing of their hapless victims rather became a legally permitted practice.
     
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    They DID pay to the last penny! Last payment was made October 3rd, 2010.
    The sum was initially set at 269 billion gold marks, around 96,000 tons of gold, before being reduced to 112 billion gold marks by 1929, payable over a period of 59 years.

    Read more here:
    https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...paration-payments-world-war/story?id=11755920
    ----
    The whole time they also paid Israel reparations for the "Holocaust".
    A new agreement was figured out by the ever so clever Jews:

    “Holocaust” Reparations: Germany to Pay 772 Million Euros to “Survivors”

    The German government has committed to pay between 2014 - 2017 nearly 800 million euros for the care of elderly “Holocaust survivors” as a result of negotiations in Israel between Berlin and a fund for Jewish victims of “Nazi aggression”. Nearly 60,000 people will benefit from the aid money.

    "Jewish cow’ is udderly superior to all other cows in the world", Netanyahu says
    .

    Does he mean Germany? ?

    https://europeanmediacentre.wordpre...ermany-to-pay-772-million-euros-to-survivors/
     
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    Not only has Germany paid countless $ Billions to the infamously corrupt Jewish Claims Conference(1) but it was actually the Germans who "...made the deserts bloom" by building virtually all of Israel's initial infrastructure(2),(3).

    It was the Germans who gave Israel 60 ships, built the water treatment plants, Israel's irrigation systems, highways, steel mills, electric power plants with grid work, railroads with the trains to go on them and other essentials while Zionist terrorist gangs were busily trying to exterminate Palestine's native residents via "Plan Dalet".

    Germany also provided Israel with weaponry used by Israel in subsequent wars and ethnic cleansing.
    I doubt that I am the only one to see the tragic irony of Israel's use of German weaponry extracted because of one attempted ethnic cleansing only to be used by Israel in its own, ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine's native residents.



    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


    (2) “The Reparations Agreement of 1952 and the response in Israel”
    http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/Engl...Agreement.aspx

    EXCERPT “As part of the reparations, many goods reached Israel which helped the state economy to stabilize over the years. For example, Israel received new-fangled German-manufactured trains, which were operated for a number of years by the Israel Railways”CONTINUED


    (3) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED
     
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    Evidence in Nazi files also states that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (see Wannsee meeting) however the German government has paid out reparations to more than 4.3 million Jews. (1)

    Nothing in the source you cited even claims that millions of people were "systematically exterminated".
    No one doubts that there were random executions of enemies of the state, real & perceived but of all the genocides, there have been a commensurate number of mass graves found except for the holocaust.

    Why?

    The lands in which Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao & other genuine butchers carried out their mass murders are replete with corresponding mass graves but not with the holocaust.

    It is only with the holocaust that there are so few mass graves that a $100,000 reward exists for proof of their existence:

    "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"

    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED


    Of all the holocaustians in the world and all the $ Billions in resources of the Holocaust Industry, you'd think they would be eager to refute "The Holocaust Archeology Hoax Challenge".

    Additionally, this thread has gone on for 28 pages but not one person who believes the standard holocaust narrative has been able to refute a single point I've raised & I don't even claim to be an expert in this field.


    (1) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed"
    http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/

    EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here,

    In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews;

    – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested;

    – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists;

    – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);

    – The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions;

    – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany.

    There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying.

    That the Wannsee Conference never discussed killing Jews in any way, has actually been confirmed in public by Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

    Bauer is also the founding editor of the journal Holocaust and Genocide Studies, and a member of the editorial board of the Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust, published by Yad Vashem in 1990.

    He is not, therefore, as some Holocaust storytellers claim, some obscure figure, but a leading and major—in fact, one of the most senior—Jews promoting the Holocaust fable.

    As long ago as 1992(!), Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing a but a “silly story.”

    Bauer’s remarks were reported in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of January 23, 1992, and the Canadian Jewish Times of January 30, 1992."CONTINUED
     
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    Balderdash.

    For some silly reason you don't want to accept the fact that there was a massive extermination of European Jews organized and executed by the Nazi in the camps that have been left standing for that very reason.

    Thankfully, you are in a distinct minority of the historically blind. The proof of what happened is ample and obvious.

    Over and out of this nonsensical exchange ...
     
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    Another one bites the dust! :sad:
    Too bad, really. You have come so far, why not just prove Grau's claims are wrong?
     
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    Don't have to. It's been done.

    You prefer to remain blind to the facts ...

    From Wikipedia - Holocaust Denial
    Excerpt:
     
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    I've been waiting for this thread to slow down so I can posit an observation, but it looks like it's going to run and run, so I'll jump in now: it isn't by any means meant to criticize the topic, but I'm surprised there is so much interest in, and comment about, some wacko who, despite all the recorded evidence to the contrary, insisted that the biggest atrocity in human history didn't happen. I mean how does that work?
     
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    Run away if you must but why participate in a debate forum when you are unable to support your most heartfelt beliefs?

    Since you entered into this exchange, you have already evaded all of the facts I have stated any one of which make the standard holocaust narrative impossible.

    I simply listed 8 irrefutable facts that demolish the grisly fantasy of millions of Jews being gassed and related outrageous falsehoods.
    Yes, the holocaust "happened" but not at all like you've been led to believe.

    If the myths with which you have been so thoroughly indoctrinated were true, you would easily be able to defend them.

    If the holocaust myths were true, why has no one been able to win the $100,000- reward I noted in my earlier post?

    You are even mistaken in believing that those who reject the SHN are in the minority as the ADL found the reverse to be true(1).
    Since "holocaust denial" is illegal in at least 14 countries, I suspect that even more people reject the SHN but were afraid to confess to a "ThoughtCrime" by the ADL who may report them to the authorities.

    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    If Faurisson is a "whacko", then why could no one refute what he stated.
    Why was the ruthless and corrupt Holocaust Industry so desperate to silence him that JDL Brownshirts almost murdered him.
    The only "recorded evidence" is a cherry picked handful of conflicting stories(1), some criminally extorted, tortured confessions & staged, propaganda films created by vengeful victors.

    Please feel free to explain how the SHN (standard holocaust narrative) could be true based on the 8 facts I listed in my post #500.

    There's even a $100,000 reward for anyone who can prove your "recorded evidence" to be true:

    "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"

    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED



    “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED: MORE "RECORDED EVIDENCE"


     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "CUT 'N PASTE DEBATE?"


    I'm sure that the Zionist influenced(1),(2), MSM Wikipedia would have said the same things about Galileo's adherents hundreds of years ago.

    Hiding behind Wikipedia's canned slurs and deliberate mischaracterizations of independent thinkers in no way refutes the 8 facts I've already listed that make the SHN (standard Holocaust narrative).

    The only thing worse than being duped into believing outrageous & mathematically impossible falsehoods is continuing to believe the same falsehoods you can't even refute in your own words.



    (1) "Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups"
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

    EXCERPT "Now two Israeli groups seeking to gain the upper hand in the online debate have launched a course in "Zionist editing" for Wikipedia, the online reference site.

    Yesha Council, representing the Jewish settler movement, and the rightwing Israel Sheli (My I srael) movement, ran their first workshop this week in Jerusalem, teaching participants how to rewrite and revise some of the most hotly disputed pages of the online reference site."CONTINUED


    (2) "Wikipedia Editing Courses Launched by Zionist Propaganda Machine"

     
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    Yes, and about a necessary as warm cat's urine ...

    PS: Most of the crapola you posted was on Wikimedia. Let's see you get it on Wikipedia ...
     
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    This is a debate forum & you have only proven that you cannot support any facts that make your fictitious beliefs possible.

    Throughout this thread I have simply cited & supported numerous irrefutable facts that make the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) impossible & you have either ignored or evaded every single one of them because you cannot refute them.

    In addition to other hard facts I have noted:

    1. The absence of even one of the thousands of homicidal gas chambers that would have been required to execute "millions of people". Not one blueprint, drawing or photo of a homicidal gas chamber exists anywhere while they should certainly exist in the "mountains of evidence" and "reams of documents" that holocaustians so often refer to.

    2. The existence of 150,000 Jewish military men including Jewish Generals, Admirals, & winners of Germany's highest military honors

    3. Intercepted German radio transmissions(1) make absolutely no reference to mass executions & express a desire on the part of the Germans to keep as many inmates alive as possible

    4. The absence of any mass graves at Treblinka, for example and the fabricated claims of Colls based on misidentified tile markings.
    Even after the crude open air cremation, there would have been 850,000 skeletal remains & hundreds of millions of teeth yet only 6 bodies have been found(2).

    5. The absence of massive coal/coke piles, railroad tracks to the crematoria to deliver large amounts of coal, large coal storage facilities or significant clouds of smoke at Auschwitz or other camps to burn "millions" of bodies as claimed.

    6. No mention of homicidal gas chambers in any of the post war books written by De Gaulle, Churchill, or Eisenhower.

    7. The Wannsee Conference notes that there were 4.5 million Jews under German control at the highest point yet 4.3 million Jewish claims have been made on the post war German government. Meanwhile, Yehuda Bauer states that the notion that the Wannsee conference discussed a "master plan" to kill the Jews is nothing but a "silly story".(3)

    8. If Hitler etc wanted to kill all the Jews, why did they work with the German Zionist Federation to set up the Haavara Agreement to transfer Jews to Palestine?

    How can the SHN be true in the face of the facts I've listed above that make it impossible?
     
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    And I'm 'simply listing' hours and hours of footage of skeletal corpses being bulldozed into massive holes in the ground, or shot in the head before falling into mass graves, and charred bodies being drawn out of furnaces, or piled up on top of each other in Zyklon gas chambers. And you think it was staged? For christ sake what makes people like you tick?
     
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    YOU call them "facts".

    Nobody anchored in True History does. One has be blind-to-the-factual-evidence to say the Holocaust is pure invention.

    Moving right along ...
     
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    After what I said above about all the recorded evidence you still believe it's 'pure invention'? You've got a problem matey!
     
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    The fact that you mistakenly regard the European holocaust as "...the biggest atrocity in human history" immediately shows the extent to which you have been deceived by the hyperbolic standard holocaust narrative. Far more people have died in greater tragedies(1) that took the lives of people equally valuable as those taken in the holocaust.

    For some reason, the first reactions of those who do believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) to those who do not believe the whole SHN is generally replete with slander and distortion.

    Those who do not believe that "millions of people" were "gassed in homicidal gas chambers" due to lack of hard evidence are frequently slandered as "anti Semites", "neo Nazis" & "holocaust deniers" when no one I know doubts that large numbers of innocent Communists, Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals etc died horrific deaths in the German camps especially toward the end of the war when everyone in Germany was suffering severe deprivations.

    Re:
    If, by "jumping in", I hope that you will familiarize yourself with assertions I have already expressed & supported & not assume that independent thinkers who do not believe the SHN are supporters of repulsive neo Nazi doctrine or anti Jewish sentiments simply because they do not believe physical & mathematical impossibilities espoused by the Holocaust Industry.

    Thanks,


    (1) "Remembering the biggest mass murder in the history of the world"
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mass-murderer-his-due/?utm_term=.adb2018383aa
    EXCERPT "Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded."CONTINUED
     

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