Gay, Trans.

It is amazing all the stuff we had no clue about 100 or 120 years ago!

It's like humans kept studying nature!!

Of course, it is well known in biology that the range of sexuality is more than just behavior.

 

For humans, living past 90 is unusual but not in the sense that something went wrong with the individual. Humans as a species are not defined by life span.

Humans are biologically defined to be a heterosexual species, and humans are heterosexual biologically, in terms of evolution, anatomically, socially, mentally, reproduction. Homosexuality is abnormal in the sense that something went wrong with that individual.

 

again so what? So is having red hair or being left-handed. Being a genius is abnormal. I think you will find that every human individual has something that makes them out of the ordinary

you want to see something really sad, look up self-diagnosed disassociative identity disorder.

These people are going to be the new community and no doubt they're going to be under the LGBT ABCDEFG flag.

 

Yes, you are supposed to care.

Blatantly misrepresenting what others say has a name for it.

 

You have ZERO evidence that there is anything "wrong" with biology that is less common.

 

humans as a species are not defined by sexual orientation either.

This is an opinion because you can't show anything wrong.

I don't know the sexuality only refers to reproduction on there are plenty of humans and tracked out and say it's necessary for the survival of this species that a certain amount of humans don't reproduce. That's actually common and the majority of sexually dimorphic species.

 

Okay I'm going to try my best to give a rat's ass about your pathetic excuses.

What did I misrepresent and now I won't read it again I read it once already and unless you changed it it says the same thing.

 

It seems the argument goes if you don't reproduce there's something wrong with you. Really the only component of this that is legitimate is that humans reproduce through sex. And that's not different for homosexuals they just choose to cohabitate with someone of the same sex. It doesn't mean they're trying to have a baby's or reproduce if they wanted to do that they would have to find someone of the opposite sex to do it with and that happens so that defect is not really a defect it's an inconvenience.

So if being inconvenience is wrong then doing something like repairing your own car versus paying someone to do it is wrong.

I get the argument it's just that it's about reproduction and you're not wrong for not reproducing. If it's about cohabitating more heterosexual people don't cohabitate with their sexual partners then there are gay people on the planet.

Just about every species that is sexually dimorphic meaning they reproduce with a male and a female there's at least 20% that don't reproduce. And that's also understanding that that's 20% of the survivors is in a lot of sexually dimorphic animals have a greater than 50% die off rate prior to sexual maturity.

Either way I'm preaching to the choir. On this subject

 

No, humans (homo sapiens) are defined as a heterosexual species.

 

That is nonsense.

Heterosexual means attracted to those of the opposite sex.

Humans sexuality is not constrained like that, obviously.

 

So it's not possible for someone in the species to be homosexual?

 

Of course it is possible for individuals to have abnormal traits.

 

What is normal or acceptable is based on opinion. Homosexuality has been observed in all animal species, therefore a normal part of sexuality.

You are defining anything other than sexual attraction between a male and female as abnormal and unacceptable. Human beings are a species made up of a majority of heterosexuals and a minority of homosexuals and neither is mutually exclusive.

Not being in the majority is not abnormal or unacceptable. Part of why this planet is such a divided and contentious place is because those in the ‘majority’ define what is normal/abnormal, acceptable/unacceptable and these definitions are rooted in difficulty in accepting different views, beliefs, and practices of other people.

 

So then the species is not heterosexual. Not entirely at least.

 

No, homosexuality in a heterosexual species is abnormal. Whether it’s animals or humans doesn’t matter. Everything about a human is geared towards heterosexuality - genetics, evolution, anatomy, behaviour, history.

Go to the extreme - what happens if 100% of individuals are homosexual in a heterosexual species ? Extinction. There is no benefit to the species at all, homosexuality at best is a harmful mutation. That’s bio 101.

Some people don’t like it because they have been indoctrinated.

 

No, when defining the basic traits of Homo sapiens being heterosexual is included.

Walking upright is a defining trait, but there are some individuals who are born deformed or handicapped that cannot, they are still homo sapien just abnormal.

 

Think of this, if an anatomist or geneticist or medical doctor or biologist physically examined 1000 gay people, he would conclude they were all heterosexual and humans were heterosexual.

Homosexuality is completely in the mind, it’s uncommon, and it’s a mental health problem.

 

Homosexuality => Characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to, or sexual activity with, people of the same sex; involving or relating to same-sex desire or sexual activity.

Heterosexuality => Characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to, or sexual activity with, people of the opposite sex; involving or relating to opposite-sex desire or sexual activity.

If homosexuality is completely in the mind, then so is heterosexuality. Since homosexuality occurs in nature in many species who don't actually 'think' and make 'decisions', it's clear it's not in the mind, it's part of biology. Not being in the majority doesn't make something abnormal.

If an anatomist or geneticist or medical doctor or biologically examined 1000 gay people without talking to them, they couldn't make any conclusions related to their sexual attraction to other people. They could conclude what gender they are related to their anatomy.

 

If they can't say they are gay then they are not?

 

You unwittingly prove my point. There is zero physical indication a person is homosexual, homosexuality is all in the mind. The opposite is the case for heterosexuality, every aspect of the human body shows it was evolved to be heterosexual.

Evolution, biology, anatomy, genetics are all geared to heterosexuality. Nothing in evolution, biology, anatomy, genetics drives humanity to homosexuality. Homosexuality even requires a person to use parts of their body in ways they were clearly not designed for.

In fact evolution demands humans be heterosexual and not homosexual.

 

Gender and sexual attraction are very highly correlated.

Some animals may perform acts that appear to be homosexual, but are much more likely simple acts of dominance.

There is no heterosexual species that has any significant level of homosexuality. Not even in humans.

 

Actually, evolution has clearly shown most species have evolved to be both with a majority being heterosexual to ensure the continuation of the species. You just can't abide that some people are sexually attracted to people of their own gender so you call them abnormal, mentally ill and stigmatize them. I personally can't abide people who are intolerant of others and contribute to the hate and violence against other human beings and for what? The just are attracted to someone of their own gender. Whatever floats their boat. It really doesn't matter.

 

Show the proof. Not wikipedia either, real proof.

You just can't abide that many people disagree with you and you cannot prove them wrong, so you resort to personal attacks.

You have no idea what my position is on homosexual people. I've stated a basic simple scientific fact - homosexuality in a heterosexual species is abnormal - and said nothing about my personal position.

Are you going to ask a rational question or run away?

 

I don’t care if you disagree with me or not. I have given you the one fact most scientists agree with — that homosexuality exists in nature for most species — it’s part of what makes up a species — it’s a something that exists on a continuum. It’s abnormal to you because you are obviously heterosexual. A behaviour is not abnormal because the minority engages it.

You have made it very clear what you think about homosexuality — it’s a mental illness, it’s abnormal — if that isn’t a personal opinion what is. Your posts make it very clear as to what you think about homosexuality, you are intolerant of it to a point you won’t accept it as anything other than it is abnormal, a mental illness.

I don’t wish to engage with you any longer — you are making stigmatizing comments about homosexuality. I am sure that their are some ‘gay’ people on this forum that really aren’t happy about being labelled as abnormal and mentally ill.

 

Not really. That's typically a characteristic of vertebrates. If you can say every mammal reproduces heterosexual and it's not a description of humans.

Walking upright is a unique characteristic of our species reproducing heterosexuality is not.