Gays should not be allowed to adopt >>>MOD ALERT<<<

It seems that "historically" ONLY "committed relationships between consenting OPPOSITE SEX adults" have received "respect and dignity," and THAT is what is changing, and that is why, TODAY, we are advocating for EVERY "committed relationships between EVERY consenting adults" be respected and dignified.

So. . .the only change is. . .giving gay couples the SAME respect and dignity that heterosexual couples have enjoyed for centuries!

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Yep. . .he keeps on spewing the same crap. . .and we keep on feeding him.

I'm out of here! Thanks for the reminder!

 

But they are not the only ones.

 

No, that's not the change taking place. Traditional marriage is only being extended to gay couples and not EVERY "committed relationships between EVERY consenting adults". Its all about encouraging respect from the rest of society for homosexuals and homosexuality and dignity for homosexuals. If marriage was just given to any two consenting adults that wouldn't achieve those goals.

 

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"An interim report found there was no statistical difference between children of same-sex couples and the rest of the population on indicators including self-esteem, emotional behaviour and the amount of time spent with parents.

However, children of same-sex couples scored higher than the national average for overall health and family cohesion, measuring how well the family members get along.”
http://mccaugheycentre.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/786806/simon_report_.pdf

Those who oppose same-sex couples adopting or having children together, often use arguments about the likely negative impact of such parenting models on the children involved – and pitch the rights of the adults against the rights of the children, favoring those of the child to have a ‘normal’ upbringing, over those of the adults to have children. So, this should be really great news for them – they can now pitch in and celebrate same-sex parenting for achieving such remarkable results. Unless, of course, they are just bigots, dressing up their bigotry in disingenuous concern for children. In which case, this is the worst news ever.

 

Please tell me what group of consenting adults (other than gays) are legally allowed to have committed relationships, but cannot have those committed relationships recognized in the same way as mine has been (ie: via marriage).

 

These studies that ask homosexual couples with children questions about how good of a parent they are, would seem to be of little use. Studies that show children born to their married mother and father tend to do better, look at more objective criteria such as rates of poverty, juvenile delinquency, teen pregnancy, HS dropouts and criminal conviction as an adult.

 

????? Any two adults excluded by law from marriage. Of course. For one, the lovely family down the street. Widowed single mom with 3 kids and her also widowed mom, the childrens grandmother, together for over a decade, providing and caring for their children/grandchildren. Grandmother has adopted the children. Own their home jointly, kids are on grandmas health insurance from work. Every bit as committed to each other and their children as two gays who happen to rub genitals like a real mom and dad. Traditional marriage fosters the formation of stable homes for the benefit of children that only heterosexual couples produce. Seems silly for government to foster the formation of stable homes for the benefit couples who have sex with each other, while ignoring the thousands of families made up of two closely related adults and children biologically related to both of them. MUCH more numerous than families made up of homosexual couples with children.

 

"On measures of general health and family cohesion children aged 5 to 17 years with same-sex attracted parents showed a significantly better score when compared to Australian children from all backgrounds and family contexts. For all other health measures there were no statistically significant differences."​

You seem to be asserting that this study was limited to asking the homosexual couples questions about how good of a parent they are... Please explain how you reached that conclusion given that the brief clearly illustrates the children themselves were evaluated.

Is anyone talking about giving gay couples the ability to take kids away from loving nuclear families that involve both biological parents? If not, how are those families relevant? Why not use objective criteria to compare kids raised by homosexual couples to kids raised in group homes and orphanages?

It seems clear that you are simply using "the children" as an excuse to exercise bigotry.

 

1) Unless you are claiming that the "lovely family down the street" is made up of a woman and her mother who want to get married, this is moot.
2) The mother and grandmother can list each other as "next of kin" without complaint.
3) Your reference to "two gays who happen to rub genitals like a real mom and dad" clearly illustrates the bigotry of your position.
4) Please illustrate that the fact that a gay couple can't produce offspring that involves their combined DNA has any bearing on whether they should have their relationship legally recognized.
5) Please provide evidence to support the following implications:
A) That the "families made up of two closely related [unmarried] adults and children biologically related to both of them" have no more rights than families made up of homosexual couples with children, and
B) That those closely related families have no more rights than the families consisting of a homosexual couple.

 

I am fine with saying that my position in this thread is that I believe that gay couples deserve the same rights and recognition as my wife and I enjoy.

 

Statistics again- so that Dixon doesn't derail another thread with his obsession about marriage

Foster Children and Adoption

In the U.S. 400,540 children are living without permanent families
in the foster care system. 115,000 of these children are eligible for adoption, but nearly 40% of these children will wait over three years in foster care before being adopted.

Source: AFCARS Report, No. 19

Each year, over 27,000 youth &#8220;age out&#8221; of foster care
without the emotional and financial support necessary to succeed. This number has steadily risen over the past decade. Nearly 40% had been homeless or couch surfed, nearly 60% of young men had been convicted of a crime, and only 48% were employed. 75% of women and 33% of men receive government benefits to meet basic needs. 50% of all youth who aged out were involved in substance use and 17% of the females were pregnant.

Over three years is the average length of time a child waits
to be adopted in foster care. Roughly 55% of these children have had three or more placements. An earlier study found that 33% of children had changed elementary schools five or more times, losing relationships and falling behind educationally.

http://www.ccainstitute.org/index.ph...d=25&Itemid=43

Look at those statistics.

Tell me why, when kids on average have to wait three years to be adopted, that excluding homosexuals as adoptive parents is a good thing for kids

I strongly urge everyone to not get into the weeds about marriage with Dixon- he will merely go around and around and rationalize why he wants to discriminate against homosexuals.

 

He can't refute it none of them can. Dixon is different only in his persistence. Others fade away. He seems to be oblivious to what others say or his own inane repetitive drum beat

 

These studies that ask homosexual couples AND THEIR CHILDREN questions about how good of a parent they are, would seem to be of little use.

Good idea. Wonder why most all these studies on homosexual couples do not.

 

They do.

They dont in states with traditional marriage. The gay couple and the mother and graandmother are treated the same. In states with "gay marriage", they have LESS rights than the homosexual couples who are able to marry. Thats the whole point. The gays insist that only they be given the same preference as biological parents because to not do so offends them.

 

Not sure of your point. Gays can already adopt in all 50 states.

 

A preference of biological parents raising their own children isnt discrimination

 

Dumbing it down as usual. The point is that in most states, gay couples can&#8217;t adopt a child together as a heterosexual couple can. In many cases, if a single person adopts, that persons partner will not be able to adopt as a second parent depriving the child of two legal parents. It all adds up putting up roadblocks to gay adoption and diminishing the likelihood that they will adopt at all. It&#8217;s still discrimination but you know that
While some states outright ban adoption by gay couples, other states have laws that do not expressly prevent adoption, but may make it hard or impossible for same-sex couples to complete the adoption process. Still other states do not allow gay couples to adopt, but have no prohibitions on a single gay person adopting

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/info_7875436_states-allow-gay-adoption.html#ixzz2vklNkZ3B
http://www.ehow.com/info_7875436_states-allow-gay-adoption.html

States with Unclear Laws
&#8226; According to the Human Rights Campaign, several states have unclear regulations about whether same-sex couple can adopt. In Michigan, for example, the law states that only married couples may petition to jointly adopt, and the state does not have gay marriage. However, a court in 2006 allowed a joint adoption for an unmarried gay couple. The Human Rights Campaign also calls laws in Wisconsin unclear because the courts have never ruled specifically on gay couples adopting jointly, but have "strongly suggested" that unmarried couples may not jointly adopt. Marriage in Wisconsin is legally defined as between a man and woman.
Adopting a Same-Sex Partner's Child
&#8226; Not all gay adoption cases are from same-sex couples seeking to jointly adopt. Sometimes, a same-sex partner petitions to adopt his or her partner's child. States that explicitly permit this are: California, Colorado, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania and Vermont. The states that expressly forbid a same-sex partner from petitioning to adopt a partner's child are: Florida, Nebraska, Ohio and Utah. The remainder of the states have no explicit laws either way.
Single Gay People Adopting
&#8226; States are more lenient with laws that allow single gay people to petition to adopt. That is, there are no laws that expressly forbid single gay people from adopting. Instead, most states have general laws that allow single people to adopt and do not mention sexual orientation as a factor. Florida is the lone state that does not allow single gay people to petition to adopt a child.

 

One or both, either gets the child out of the foster care system, so not sure of the relevance of your point.

 

but the child doesn't have two parents.

 

So now that it's been irrefutably demonstrated that there is a surplus of children in need of adoption, you're in favor of single gays adopting but not as a couple?? This coming from someone who has been bloviating about the importance of family, of children having legal ties, of have two parents ?? Do you even know what you believe in? Are you so obtuse that you cant see what a damned fool you're making of yourself?

Now tell us more about how concerned you are for the kids

 

?????uuuuh? Nope. I'll wait here while you make your obligatory dash after the strawman.

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One parent gets the child out of foster care, soooooo not sure of the relevance of your point.

 

The title of this thread

Gays should not be allowed to adopt >>>MOD ALERT<<<

My post was on topic.

Statistics again- so that Dixon doesn't derail another thread with his obsession about marriage

Foster Children and Adoption

In the U.S. 400,540 children are living without permanent families
in the foster care system. 115,000 of these children are eligible for adoption, but nearly 40% of these children will wait over three years in foster care before being adopted..

 

In most cases the child has two biological parents who have either abandoned the child or have been so derelict as parents that the child was removed from their custody.

 

So no patents. I said that already.

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One parent isn't two. It's really simple.

 

Being a bigot is