Gender Equality in Marriage Contracts: Geographical Disparities

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  1. Puppy

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    But nobody is "preventing" gays from enjoying rights. I mentioned civil unions. They can have that. Yes it needs some tweaking, but it still works.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    American citizens are guaranteed equal rights under the US Constitution.

    Were a state, say Alabama, to prohibit, say blonds, from entering into marital contracts, Alabama's blonds would have legal recourse via the US Constitution.
     
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    Equal protection law doesn't vary depending upon how many people are involved.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    And yet we have marriage laws that purposely discriminate against the unmarried.
     
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    If you wish contest that the unmarried are discriminated against, you may well have a valid case in some respects.
     
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    Why? What do you have against gays being able to marry legally?
     
  7. Puppy

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    Because they don't fit the definition of the word. Marriage has always been defined as the union between a man and a woman.
     
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    and that would be unconstitutional, as has been pointed out. So, marriage it is for them.
     
  9. rahl

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    this is also demonstrably false. The definition of marriage has changed countless times through out human history.
     
  10. ECA

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    Welcome to the 21st century.
     
  11. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There’s nothing wrong with interracial marriage. It involves a man and a woman. That’s what nature intended. It’s not a freak show.
     
  12. Puppy

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    Changes aren't always good. Look at how inter-racial relationships have been made legal.

    Lol, I just know you and your ilk are about to have a meltdown over what I just said.
     
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    Meltdown? Haha...hardly. I already knew you were a bigot so this is just par for the course for you.
     
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    homosexuality occurs in nature, therefore, it is what nature intended. (setting aside the fact that nature doesn't have intentions).
     
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    Here's a thought for all of you against gay marriage....don't marry someone of the same sex. There you go...problem solved. You're welcome!
     
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    Nature did not create marriage contracts. Nature does impart differing sexual dispositions.




    The Second Amendment has no place in modern society... Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Professor of Law, Emeritus
     
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  18. Texas Republican

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    Are not all have equal value.
     
  19. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    There are those who like to sit in judgment and extol some and demean others.

    Fortunately, we do not live in an Islamic theocracy or former Soviet Bloc nation where the State imposes such inequality.
     
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    I don't mind government encouraging behavior with tax breaks and governmental entitlements to achieve some benefit for society. Children born to single mothers have higher rates of poverty, juvenile delinquency, drug and alcohol abuse, teen pregnancy, HS dropouts and criminal conviction as an adult. As a fan of small government I have a big problem with government using tax breaks and governmental entitlements to win more "respect and dignity" for the gays.
     
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    Not sure exactly what you mean by dispositions, but sexual orientation is purely a human invention.
     
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    You seem very confused about this issue. Govt wasn't looking to "win" anything with gays. The court ruled that it was unconstitutional to not allow gays to legally marry
     
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    Bans against interracial marriages were motivated by animus towards minority races. Limiting marriage to men and women was motivated by a desire to improve the wellbeing of children. The current institution of marriage has nothing other than a desire to win more respect and dignity for homosexuals.
     
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    No, you are the one confused.

    From the California case

    "In light of the evolution of our state's understanding concerning the equal dignity and respect to which all persons are entitled without regard to their sexual orientation, it is not appropriate to interpret these provisions in a way that, as a practical matter, excludes gay individuals from the protective reach of such basic civil rights".

    "entitled to the same respect and dignity accorded a union traditionally designated as marriage..."

    "couple's right to have their family relationship accorded dignity and respect equal to that accorded other officially recognized families,..."

    "designation of "marriage" exclusively for opposite-sex couples poses at least a serious risk of denying the family relationship of same-sex couples such equal dignity and respect...."

    "same-sex couple's fundamental interest in having their family relationship accorded the same respect and dignity enjoyed by an opposite-sex couple...."

    "gay individuals are entitled to the same legal rights and the same respect {Page 43 Cal.4th 822} and dignity afforded all other individuals"...

    "the right of same-sex couples to have their official family relationship accorded the same dignity, respect, and stature as that accorded to all other officially recognized family relationships...."

    "by reserving the historic and highly respected designation of marriage exclusively to opposite-sex couples while offering same-sex couples only the new and unfamiliar designation of domestic partnership -- pose a serious risk of denying the official family relationship of same-sex couples the equal dignity and respect that is a core element of the constitutional right to marry...."

    "right of an individual and a couple to have their own official family relationship accorded respect and dignity equal to that accorded the family relationship of other couples...."

    "the state's assignment of a different name to the couple's relationship poses a risk that the different name itself will have the effect of denying such couple's relationship the equal respect and dignity to which the couple is constitutionally entitled...."

    "the right of those couples to have their family relationship accorded respect and dignity equal to that accorded the family relationship of opposite-sex couples...."

    "fundamental interest of same-sex {Page 43 Cal.4th 847} couples in having their official family relationship accorded dignity and respect equal to that conferred upon the family relationship of opposite-sex couples..."

    Its all about winning more respect and dignity for homosexuals. With procreation declared to be irrelevant to marriage, promoting homosexuality is all they have left.
     
  25. Natty Bumpo

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    No, no biological species "invents" the sexual orientation of its individuals.
     

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