Georges Lemaître: Father of The Big Bang Theory

This is where the false education of the militant atheist, who thinks science, reason, and faith donot coexist, will render them speechless.

Georges Lemaître you see, was a Catholic Belgian priest, astronomer, and scientist. He conceived of the Big Bang Theory. So how does a priest, what the militant atheist considers to be a "moron", come to give us a new scientific idea, that other have tested and expanded on, like Hubble?

Why does the militant atheist presume that those who have faith, cannot possibly understand or accept science? Does the militant atheist not realize that the CathOlof Church uses and has scientists within it, such as Georges Lemaître?

What does the militant atheist have to say about Gregor Mendel? The Father of Genetics? An Augustan Friar?

The fact is folks, history is littered with Catholic & Protestant men of the cloth, providing the scientific world with some of its greatest discoveries. So when you read comments of militants proclaiming how people are "stupid" or "morons" because they believe in God, realize that they are speaking ignorantly about a subject that they actually know very little of or about.

Science, reason, and faith are not separate.

 

Science doesn't involve faith. Faith IS separate to science.

 

Oh snap.

The is not so much scientists of X faith (people of all faiths make discoveries, does that make all faiths valid? ) making a discovery, it is the denial of such discoveries in the name of faith that is the issue.

 

Basically, in every age, acceptance of partial knowledge when challenged or updated with additional discoveries of new knowledge , is challenged by the status quo of the more rigid teachers of the time with their fixed knowledge. Christian scientists faced the same challenges when their discoverings did not support or were opposed to the religious doctrine of the time.

And so there is a 'settling' period where doctrine must catch up with new discoveries, and where those of strict doctrines must yield to & eventually accept a refinement of the interpretation of the scriptures by using new information. Science, in its appropriate completion, shud support sound interpretation of the scriptures. 'Sound' being putting into perspective, including metaphorical & allegorical just as the NT parables.

 

If the accepted reality doesn't fit into the box, make a larger box?

This is what a lot of people would consider to be ambiguity in writing. Listen to all the static going on here amongst Christians. If the science doesn't fit, there are two choices; vehemently deny the validity of it, or find a way to fit it into the belief structure..... Interesting enough, the bible is subjective enough to support doing either; yet the mind remains within the same box, bound by it's pages.
Is this the idea, mass confusion to weed out those without the true ability to interpret the message? If true, what has it produced but within itself an elitist mentality?
Does this support an intelligent and loving God putting us at each others throats like wild dogs?
Yeah, count me out..... I have a better example of love within my own mind, perhaps we all do; all it requires is to let go and listen to it.

 

Doesn't this sound exactly like the nature of men? To be instructed by superior thought, belief of the position taken by it, and that it should be worthy of God?

 

I rather think of it as 'looking for & finding harmony' between science (as is always limited) and the scriptures (which require interpretation in present 'light' in some cases).'

 

What about harmony with your fellow man? What about harmony with those declared to be unworthy through your belief? What about harmony with every thought knowing that if taken to their limits, they all lead to the same conclusion?

Not possible through what is declared in your belief, you don't have a big enough box!

 

And so you are a proponent of no absolute truths, and doing & saying all & anything to appease one's fellow man...sounds like a Gospel of Sleaze" that you are preaching..."Do your own thing," etc., as a 'former Hippie' would preach....that is a 'box' without a top! Ergo, why even be leaky 'a box' then....??

 

Self-delusion is a consequence of intelligence. It must be actively countered by a rigorous adherence to facts and objective analysis.

 

You know I once had an idea within a question, if I were to create life and truth; what constituents would I apply to truth that would enable it to be applicable and acceptable to any mind?
The only loving, logical, sensible and reasonable conclusion I could come up with is that... "Truth finds no Offense!"

Well, you might say.... Anyone can find offense, even if what is declared is loving, logical, sensible and reasonable... So then we have to ask, where does this offense lie.... Does it originate from the one who is declaring the absolute or the one who is observing it?
Lets now examine the concepts of righteous and unrighteous, worthy and unworthy and investigate further..... "What does the bible declare of righteousness and unrighteousness, worthy and unworthy as an absolute truth?"
Answer this and we can then begin this investigation.

 

BTW, I am inviting any Christian to answer this question in what is declared; let's begin this investigation!

 

Righteousness is right-standing with God, and acknowledging that He is and has set the Standard of what is Righteous and what is Unrighteous.

Worthy is not of self-righteousness, but unmerited favor as in accepting the 'Gift of Righteousness' (per the Book of Romans) by acknowledging and accepting the work of a righteous man who was obedient to death, even to death on a cross, as an eternal substitute for all those who believe and accept his stead in their behalf.

 

What is a 'wrong' standing with God? Sin?

 

In scripture, the word that is used most frequently for 'sin' is hamartia, missing the mark. It is the most comprehensive term for explaining sin. God's attributes concerning 'right behavior' (as in morals, etc.) being the mark or standard.

 

So the question is:

"What does the bible declare of righteousness and unrighteousness, worthy and unworthy as an absolute truth?"


I'd say the golden rule is an absolute truth when it comes to a judgment.

 

So lets bring this to the extreme, the life that has completely missed the mark.... the most foul, deviant mind you could ever imagine, the very insult to this moral standard....

Did it make a conscious choice to deviate from this moral standard? If so, explain how it was possible, and when and where did it do so?

 

What are the guidelines by which one should be judged?

 

God set the standards for man as a benefit for man. His stds are not of rebellion or self-pride, but of humility and love, as loving one another, since 'Love' is the fulfillment of the Laws of God. If man lives by His stds then man will have success in life and walk as the full manifestation of the image of God upon the earth. Jesus was that man of whom that lofty goal has been established.

The 'deviant' that you described has made conscious choices in his life, whether thru situations or self-seeking , and has ended up in that condition as the result of them. But God will not just leave him there, but offers grace thru forgiveness, to rehabilitate such a man, who 'may' also receive the free Gift of Righteousness as any other man. "For only God knows the hearts of men."

 

I guess in this case it should be your own.

 

Now let me ask you a question: Your postings sound to me as if you are steeped in rebellion and are thereby 'revolting' against any & all accepted traditions of faith, and are lost & wandering about in the futility of your own mind! What say you..'revol'

 

Well here is the declaration, now lets test it!

You have come into this world, same genetic makeup, identical influences and an identical offering of choice..... In fact, to be fair.... The same soul to start, having come from God.... What has enabled you to deviate from the choices this life has made in order to meet this purported standard?

Logic and reason, sense and sensibility, you are identical and equal to this life; we should then only be able to conclude that the choices made would be identical and equal....
Lets go further in this investigation....

A. You would not be able to deviate from the path or choices made, being identical in discernment and ability.
B. You were created in an aspect of inequality which provided you with an innate quality, the ability of discernment within the choice where the other was without.
C. It is impossible to know what the choices made would be in an identical life where we must then ascribe to chaos, chance.

if you believe I am missing a conclusion here, declare it so we can further investigate!

 

You didnt answer my previous question as to your motives posting to this thread!

But of course, you want to debate 'man's free will,' which has been done on this forum ad nauseam. Bottom line, man ALWAYS has a choice of what morals and credo to follow. Scripture says that the truth is self-evident to the hearts of men, and so we can further string it out to 'predestination' as to who will follow the truth and be saved, and who will not. "For who God did 'fore know' He predestined to become the sons of God." Calvin took it to one extreme as in 'you're saved or you are not.' So no need to evangelize," which was incorrect. We are called to sow the seed of the Word of God, and it is His Holy Spirit who draws men unto Him. In sowing, we are honored and allowed to be co-workers--Calvin missed it!

I'm going to stop wasting your time or mine and simply say, "I hope that you "find" that free Gift of Righteousness," as it is available to all men, "God not being a respecter of persons," per the scriptures.

 

Your conclusion does not contradict his conclusion ... Which was

"The 'deviant' that you described has made conscious choices in his life, whether thru situations or self-seeking , and has ended up in that condition as the result of them."

Making a 'conscious choice' doesn't mean that you have deviated from the path or choices made ..

 

So God's love is predestined and reserved only for those he has afore prepared unto glory?
God's chosen!

What a grand elitist state God has created, those who are not so lucky in his favor.... Tools of his torment?

So God is just rolling dice?.... Let me create this soul, oops we got a bad one here!

Anyone see offensiveness in what is declared?