Singing in English is a commercial decision many make, of course, but bands can still sing in English and draw from musical influences from their own country or culture alongside influences from elsewhere. German metal bands, for example, have often been particularly noted for their incorporation of 'classical' musical ideas and constructions (it's something that occurs widely in metal, but has been particularly notable from bands like Accept and Helloween). Although commerciality and broad international appeal often relies on the use of English language, one of the few exceptions that have made it really 'big' without doing that are obviously Rammstein, who sing in German. Just because most 'pop' is heavily influenced by African American music doesn't mean that all modern music only draws on that one area of musical influence - it's one influence of many, and one of the other major influences on western music has a very heavy German influence.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My0HQ0QkGLQ"]YouTube - ‪Rammstein - Du hast‬‏[/ame]
If I go through international Top Ten, I can not find some German influence. African elements, yes, Latin American elements yes, American country elements yes. Sure in national music charts there is an own German style, even with German texts, maybe not as strong as in Russia with Russian songs, but strong. In international pop music I could not name a band or singer which sounds "German influenced", if they don't come from Germany or Austria. This would influence be about. Ok, the melody of the national anthem of Tonga comes from Carl Gustav Schmitt and it sounds like a German folk song, this is something
Only few politicians stay in memory. It's like saying, people will think of Truman when they hear US in 50 years. I doubt it. Napoleon and Caesar stayed in collective memory. Dschingis Khan and Dracula stayed, probably mainly, because many people don't know much about Mongolia or Romania beside of them.
Is this Berlin you are speaking about spelled Bejing, Moscbul or Istancow? http://youtu.be/Q7jDKbaLjz0
Any general music charts obviously represent a particular narrow field of commercial music, much of which is manufactured pop and/or dance related. That doesn't give anything like a full picture of the music that is being listened to around the world. 'Classical' music will never feature on such charts for a start, yet it is still hugely popular around the world, and there is no doubt it is dominated by the Germanic composers and their styles. Metal is also hugely popular, and alot of it is also heavily influenced by classical forms which are blended in among other influences - in general, you will find such influences creeping in to any form of music where virtuosity (particularly in long instrumental sections) and live performance are considered major virtues (including in things like Jazz, which may have originated in Black America, but has since broadened its base of influences as it has expanded and evolved, as long lasting genres of music will always do). Metal may have originally developed from blues, jazz and rock and roll, but as it developed (from Richie Blackmore in the 70s onwards) the influence of 'classical' music should not be underestimated, and neither, therefore, should the influence of German music. In modern pop, image and immediate 'catchiness' are the virtues, not virtuosity and performance, and you won't find long instumental sections - no surprise that the kind of qualities in German influenced 'classical' forms don't appear much in evidence. That doesn't mean the very basic rules of music, drawn from the composers of old, that apply fairly universally in Western Music should be ignored, of course. Here is a section from a documentary, talking about the strong links of influence between 'classical' music and heavy metal: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrIdyLXdhBo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrIdyLXdhBo[/ame] Here is another video someone has put together of bits of 'classical' metal: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFLeUO8iyk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFLeUO8iyk[/ame] And here is a video of influential metal guitarist Yngwie Malmsteen talking about his own main classical influences: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDmyIg96UFc"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDmyIg96UFc[/ame] It really isn't anything surprising (or unusual, even!) to find metal bands doing things like this: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzOF9w8kG-c"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzOF9w8kG-c[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKf7oYywdS8"]Richie Blackmore - Blues & Beethoven[/ame] And much of that influence is German. Heavy metal, one of the most popular (and universally popular throughout most of the world) forms of modern music in the world, would not and could not exist in anything like its current form without the German influences.
And here's some Germans bringing classical-influenced metal to the world! [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKTrYMJZzdg"]Scorpions - Pictured Life (live in Germany)[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0HIAU8bXR0"]Helloween - Eagle Fly Free (live in Brazil)[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZn7IkZU6Us"]Accept - Metal Heart (live in Japan)[/ame]
I guess if you would be the german ambassador in Turkey then the Turks there would start to send CARE packets and tearful letters to the Turks living here in the poor postcommunistic Nonprussia. http://youtu.be/E4gKjLa0G0A
Maybe some people already do. Many well qualified Turkish people left Germany to go to Turkey, since economy is developing well there. It's developing well here, too, but chances seem to better for them in Turkey or they simply like being there.
I would have to agree with Volker here. Germany is, for sure, a great nation with many success in the past. And the German culture is well developed and rich in certain areas like philosophy. But the thing is, her popular culture is not as influential. Turkey, for instance, is supposed to be the "backyards" of Germany, as Turkey is the main foreign source for Germany's man power, It wouldn't be invalid to assume that Germany's culture has a heavy influence over the Turkish people. As the French influence over North Africa. But there's no German cultural influence whatsoever in Turkey. I mean not even a tiny bit of German culture. All we have here in Turkey is some Turkish German rappers which in turn is an American influence. German singers, actrists, actors, novelists, etc. aren't known in Turkey whatsoever. Germany's most influential power is not the culture however, but the engineering they have, which is well known in Turkey too. German industrial products are used here in Turkey synonymous for rock solid, highest quality products.
And as a result Germany is called from the United Nations a criminal nation because we are the discriminators of the Turks - while you don't know the same time anything about that "Germany" (=Herta Müller) got the nobel price for literature in 2009 and the books of Martin Walser don't become even translated into the english language because he had once criticiced the foreign minister Joschka Fischer from the 'pacifistic' political party "Die Grünen", the misuse of the Auschwitz-argument and the warpath of the Nato including Germany in the former Yugoslavia. http://youtu.be/QR3Y5hDncn4
This group of people in Turkey seem quite familiar with this particular German group: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbFqI9AlMho"]Rammstein - Live in Istanbul (Sonisphere Festival 2010)[/ame] They were one of the headliners of that 3 day festival, so they must be pretty familiar in Turkey. Accept (also German) were another of the headliners - that's 2 out of the three for the festival (Metallica being the other one) being German, as well as the obvious Germanic influences in much of the music from the non-german bands on the bill. The German influence involved in metal is as present among the metal community in Turkey as it is anywhere else in the world, and possibly more so than some places - Accept certainly wouldn't be considered a festival headline act in the UK or USA. Just thought it was worth pointing that out - there is always some German influence somewhere, pretty much wherever you are in the world, because there is always a community of metal fans (as well as all the 'classical' music fans that exist in mort places too).
What do you call success? That's only because we love campfires and a campfire is always a good place for good stories. And if someone tells nonsense then we throw him into the fire and forget him. How many Turkish women are wearing blue Jeans? What? Turkey is Turkey. Not really. In the European Union are living about 450 million people. Lots of this people need well payed jobs. I remember a time where more workers from Italy had lived in Germany than workers from Turkey lived here. That's specially a result of the Ghettos in the big cities in Germany. Berlin is worst case. It's nearly impossible to learn the foreign language "german" in school if no one needs it in his daily life as long as he don't like to leave his ghetto. And if somone's leaving his/her ghetto and gets well educated in an university then he often gets a job in Turkey afterwards. If you replace the word "german" with any other european nation then you will find that no special nation has any influence in Turkey. That's not only a result of the Islam that's also a result of the politics of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Somehow only Turks are able to be this kind of superior being what is able to understand the superior being Turk. Germany has no influence - on no one. You are working for a german company in Turkey - that's maybe the reason that you see this point positive. Continously quality is an important way how to sell something in the worldwide markets in long term. http://youtu.be/6TZUtcCckA8
Wow, you answered my post sentence by sentence, though many of which are irrelevant. How many Turkish women are wearing blue jeans? Don't know. I haven't count them. WTF? Please ask valid questions If you ever need to. I was talking specificly about the popular culture of Germany. I actually made a comparison between the German and American cultural influence on the Turkish people. Especially on the secular Turks, many of whom wear jeans (How silly this argument is!) and the policy of Kemalism doesn't help avoiding the American culture either. Actually Kemalism doesn't stand against the American culture, Kemal Ataturk himself stated that the US is one of the friendliest countries of Turkey and the Turkish people should share the values of the American people that make them succesful country. That's maybe one of the many reasons why Turkey was accepted into NATO before... uhmm. Say, West Germany? I don't really get this "superior being Turk" thing. And no I am not a worker in a German company. Infact I have no connection with Germany or German people whatsoever. Just a happy customer of the German products. That's all.
...You don't speak my dialect But our images reflect... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVOiUHo3WSE"]YouTube - ‪Anyplace, Anywhere, Anytime‬‏[/ame] Nina Hagen also comes to my mind... Someone mentioned Heidi Klum, but there are/were other super models as well: Nadia Auermann Tatiana Patitz Claudia Schiffer
For some inexplicable reason, Turks constantly over-estimate their own culture, just like Spain and Italy does. You think we have any German newspapers that mass-circulate here on the street. Although, the German magazine "Der Spiegel" is wide-spread in the orginal German print version especially among people in the business world and among politicians. I haven't heard of any "groundbraking" Turkish magazine/newspaper -- the only Turkish newspaper receiving media coverage is "Taraf". Nobody in his or her right mind listens to Turkish music, except when you're at a world music festival. I need to admit it's always nice to be able to get a Dürum or something when you're going out and didn't pick anyone up, and it's 5 or 6 a.m. and you are need of a quick bite... Then you have an entire music style, electronic music, in which Germany excells. It's like a typical German tradition: being on the edge, being innovative -- even in their music. From Brazil to Canada, from Hong Kong to Helsinki, from Amsterdam to Lisbonn -- everyone is listening to German music. Sure, if you are 44 y.o. -- like Volker -- it's quite possible you aren't aware of this fact. It's isn't a "trend" or something either -- it's an established fact. Also, I said this to other Turkish posters too in the past, the yougsters of Turkish, Marrocan, Tunisian, Lebanese, etc. descent living in Western Europe -- are choosing straightforward for their home country: the country they went to school too, where they learned to ride their bikes, where they played football, where they have their friends, etc. The only possible way these youngsters still have a connection with "their roots" is when they visit grandma and grandpa's home where the TV will be tuned in on some Turkish/Marrocon/Arabic channel. A language they don't understand 'cuz most of them are increasingly speaking Dutch/French/German at home because it will enable them to do better at school and have more opportunities later on in life. Turks, like most Southern Europeans, are strange creatures when compared to Northern or Western Europeans: they lack a certain finesse.
I too. You will be astonished if you check out where the [ideas of the] instruments of your daily use are often coming from. http://youtu.be/yHfjcq3BJno
Ohh... My godness... What is this all about? -Which one of us are better- game? I am not fool enough to compare the Turkish influence whatsoever to the German one. Who the hell says that the Turkish newspapers are more influential than, say, "Der Spiegel"? The whole point about your post is so off topic as well as irrelevant. I didn't even imply the things you are trying to oppose to. Weird.
LOL! I just like to hear myself talk. All I'm saying is that Southern Europeans -- Spaniards, Portuges, Italians, Greeks, Croats, Bulgarians, Turks -- have a pretty small "worldview".
