Germany nixes US request to join naval mission off Iran

They certainly were.

The SS guys had special training, e.g. in racial hatred and obeyance to the "Fuhrer". They were Hitler's assassins. They killed innocent women and children without mercy because they believed they had the right to act this way.

 

Exactly:

In 1934, Himmler initially set stringent requirements for recruits. They were to be German nationals who could prove their Aryan ancestry back to 1800, unmarried, and without a criminal record. Recruits had to be between the ages of 17 and 23, at least 1.74 metres (5 ft 9 in) tall (1.78 metres (5 ft 10 in) for the Leibstandarte). Recruits were required to have perfect teeth and eyesight and provide a medical certificate.[7]By 1938, the height restrictions were relaxed, up to six dental fillings were permitted, and eyeglasses for astigmatism and mild vision correction were allowed.[8] Once World War II commenced in Europe, the physical requirements were no longer strictly enforced.[8] Following the campaign in the West in 1940, Hitler authorized the enlistment of "people perceived to be of related stock", as Himmler put it, to expand the ranks.[9] A number of Danes, Dutch, Norwegians, Swedes and Finns volunteered to serve in the Waffen-SS under the command of German officers.[10][11] Non-Germanic units were not considered to be part of the SS directly, which still maintained its strict racial criteria; instead they were considered to be foreign nationals serving under the command of the SS.[12]

Remember, they were gearing up for a war in the East after they conquered France.

 

What were Irans casualties in that war?

 

You want kill 70 million iranians? Now you go full style hitler.

 

No, you don't get any excuses for Hitler and the atrocities committed by that regime. Nice try, though.

 

There are a lot of ME players trying to egg on the Iranians now.

 

Nobody is innocent. Women are often more false than men.

 

Yes, that would be human catastrophe, and an enormous strategic error for the US.

 

Why should i try to get excuses for something i dont care about?

You think that stuff bothers me?

 

Is that how Nazi Germany justified genocide?

 

I dont need a justification for something like that.

It doesnt bother me in any way. I can watch that stuff while eating a burger.

 

I don't want to kill anyone. Iran is the aggressor here. We decide not to be part of an agreement and iran starts shooting drones and hijacking ships. America has done nothing aggressive. If iran poses a threat to shipping we should eliminate the threat. They have no right whatsoever to attack international shipping. None. Doing so makes them the bad guy.

 

When did Iran attack ships in the gulf of mexico? You can leave their waters.

 

It should. It bothers me and I'm not German.

 

Nope it doesn't work that way. We can project our force for good anywhere in international waters we want and we don't need germsnys permission. Thoes waters do not belong to Iran.

 

Yes otherwise you would not have justified Germany's aggression and their genocide. You said it was pay back.

 

I dont care. It does not bother me, **** happens. Others did same, who cares.

 

It's international waters and they don't own it.

 

Good people care and try to prevent it from happening again.

 

Now you say iran has no national waters? Ever heared about the 12 mile rule?

 

The strait of Hormus is international waters.

 

Yea, you haven't. They don't own those waters, they are international. Outside of the 12 miles, they become international.

 

Very high; around half million. Now let me explain some of the issues to you as if you were a 2 year old:

1- The Iraq that fought Iran was supported by Nato, Warsaw Pact, and the Arab League, while Iran (having just experienced a revolution) had a military that had been (prior to the revolution) entirely dependent on US supplies. This was before Iran developed a substantial arms industry of its own in the years since that war. The Iraq the US fought was in the situation Iran was at the time of the Iran-Iraq war, cut off from its suppliers, under sanctions, etc, but without Iran's tactical strength, cohesion or unity.
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2- As that war went on, with massive resupplies and supplies from all over the world, Saddam's forces had many of the advantages the US would enjoy against Iran in terms of weaponry. It didn't do him any good and he was saved from losing the war by resorting to chemical weapons.

3- Tactically, Iraq had one of the best (albeit still 2nd rate) armored forces in the world. So that is the kind of war they knew how to fight, which may have made sense against an Iran which didn't have much armor or anything left, but was nonsense fighting that tactical dynamic against an enemy which was superior to it.

4- In Desert Storm, despite all of what I said, Saddam lost most of his army when it was butchered in the highway of death as it was retreating from Kuwait even before the ground phase had started. That was a turkey shoot but didn't show anything about the dynamics of war. If he had the kind of forces who could fight against a superior in an urban setting like Kuwait city, the US would have suffered a lot of casualties. But he had an army that was good for bullying small states (they took over Kuwait overnight), but like bullies, one which had no stomach to fight a stronger foe. (The other Iraq war in 2003 was just a show; by then, Saddam was merely in charge of Baghdad and his officers had already been bribed and in contact with the CIA, leaving their posts).

5- Of some relevance to any war with Iran, in Desert Storm the US was unable to take out Saddam's puny Scuds despite those Scuds having to be fired from a very confined area because of their limited range to hit Israeli. This despite the huge amount of air power brought to bear. Those Scuds were liquid fuel, which meant it would take up to a whole day to fuel them, making their detection easy. If you had any clue about Iran's missile forces, you would know the US has no chance of making much of a dent to take them out, when it couldn't even take out Saddam's Scuds!

The Iran-Iraq war was in the 1980s. Since then, Iran has built a substantial armaments industry so it won't be facing the same situation again. Tactically, moreover, Iran is not a fool like Saddam. Iran's tactics are perfectly geared to fight an enemy it recognizes will have advantages in certain areas.

 

Payback and amusing.

My great grandfather said, they prepared a trap tank for resistance fighters. They placed a tank in a central spot and prepped it, like it got stuck and abandond. Even placed a machine gun on top. Later on large group of enemies came close by and thought they found a tank they can use. It was blown up then from afar when many enemies were around it.

I think thats funny . You shall not steal