Germany nixes US request to join naval mission off Iran

As anyone with a clue about the issue knows, the US doesn't have the means of taking out Iran's ability to retaliate and burn the region down without the US ultimately having to engage in a land war for which it isn't prepared.

 

Any attack on Iran would be very difficult to justify. I'm thinking the US government would actually have to do something it's constantly accused of doing by woowoos and orchestrate a false flag attack on US soil.

 

You watched a fictional account. Do you really think the US Military and it's leadership would just lay out the actual plan and had it over to Iran? Also, plans change on a dime, often times at the last moment. Still, our technology advances and Iran's lack of said technology would be Iran's undoing. There is just no way around the amount of munitions and the ranges we can put on targets.

Reminder: Iraq knew we were coming and the Air War was over in mere hours. In fact, it was over the minute we crossed the border.

I would guess our Navy alone would be far too much for Iran to handle. Add the USAF to the mix and bomber forces and it's pretty much "Alpha Mike Foxtrot" for the Iranians.

 

You really don't know about Iran so it is a waste of time. If you want to actually learn a little, lets get you started with the following:
On Iran's naval forces, this report by the Office of US Naval Intelligence:
https://www.oni.navy.mil/Portals/12/Intel agencies/iran/Iran 022217SP.pdf

And then learn about Iran's missile forces. I can provide you many authoritative links, but sometimes videos are easier to comprehend for people like you.


And besides all this, Iran is one of the top powers in the world in drone warfare and cyber warfare, while it also has substantial tentacles in the region through various militias it supports, most notably Hezbollah in Lebanon and the PMF forces in Iraq.

 

Some questions here:

Are you going to serve if a war breaks out? Or better yet, are your sons or grandsons, that is if you have any, going to serve?

Are you an American in your convictions and your loyalty, and by that I don't mean by birth of naturalization - because it doesn't sound like it?

 

No, I am well aware of the Iranian capabilities and they are extremely subpar compared to the United States military. Iran missile forces are crap and would never hold up under TLAMB strikes anyway, not to mention several hundred sorties. The surprise we can achieve is frightening. We know where Iran is and deployed. We sit up high and watch where you can't see us. We have been doing it for decades.

We watch now and we are not 100% committed to the task. Imagine what happens when we are.

 

You are entitled to claim anything you wish. Until we have that war, which the US has avoided for now waiting to get all of its ducks in order and to have maximum advantages, I am afraid the belief of people like you will lead them to make demands that Iran will not be able to accept. And that bullying, and the cycle of threats, sanctions, and other efforts, continuing to persist, will bother me more than a war would.

 

We are not the ones who sabotage commercial tankers international waters and we are not the ones being constantly sanctioned. Iran does that. So, if and when, Iran decides to cross the line and anger the US to the point where we decide to interject and apply the application of force, you can boast and blather all you want about how great Iran is.

Afterwards, your prideful boasts would turn to cries and whines of "unfairness" as your forces and military "prowess" laid in ruins and you tearfully cried to the UN about how "loving and peaceful" Iran really is. Iran is rightfully afraid of the United States military but they continually harass commercial shipping and taunt those around them. The US tolerance and patience may soon come to an end. Iran has been begging for someone to come in and teach them another lesson.

 

The only thing I hope is that if war does erupt, it won't be one where Iran's leadership cower and do as you mention. I want them to stick it out and fight it. I don't want to see Iran anything like Iraq circa 1992-2003. Otherwise, either the war will end with the US finding itself embarrassed and extricating itself out of the region, giving up on its hubris and bullying. Or the US prevails and takes out Iran's leadership. Either way, its better in my eyes than the current impasse. If Iran does prevail, this regime will have fulfilled its reason d'etre and proven it can stand up for Iran being independent. If Iran loses, and is to become another vassal state of the US, then I think Iranians can find much more effective and charming figures to serve in that role than the mullahs in power. But continuation of the current situation under any name or shape isn't at all acceptable to me.

 

I hope war doesn't break out, period. The only way America invades Iran is if Iran launches a nuclear weapon. Otherwise, it will be small isolated incidents designed to destroy Iranian assets that are harassing commercial shipping.

 

I would hope the US stops trying to strangulate Iran in the war it is already waging. A war that is worse than a military war to me. But since that doesn't seem to fit with US plans for Iran, and since it seems the US wants to continue waging the war it is waging, I prefer a military war to the current impasse.

 

Iran brought it on herself. Blame Iran. The world doesn't like her terrorist actions and harassing of commercial shipping.

 

The economic war on Iran has little to nothing with what you say. It is part of plans laid out long before. It is part of what the pro Israeli lobby in conjunction with the agenda of the neocons called PNAC had planned for Iran. Their plan is to bring an "implosion" to Iran, without an actual military invasion but (at some point, when they are confident Iran won't retaliate and lash out in full force) with some forms of military strikes as sanctions enhancers. They want Iran to erupt into civil war and basically be ruined. That is the plan no matter how they want to justify it with false propaganda and slogans.

 

You're right, you cannot cower when your dead.

1. Air defenses
2. Command and control.

Iranian leaders die in the first 10 minutes.

 

People want the mullah terrorists at the top removed and the Iranian people to be free. If we wanted to destabilize Iran on our own, it wouldn't be that hard. As of now, the US isn't toppling Iran. Keep pushing for a nuke weapon and that terrorist rule will end.

 

And yet, Germany lost both World Wars they started---the second led by one of the most evil men who ever lived. Your arrogance and smugness is absolutely mind-boggling. You don't have any reason to be. Haven't you been taught that your famous Wirtschaftswunder was built almost entirely on the Marshall Plan and American postwar generosity toward a vanquished people(that would be the Germans) who chose to forget most of the German debt? Germans certainly didn't rebuild the ruins of WWII by themselves.

 

I cannot believe these neocons. You clamor for war with Iran when the real war is at the Southern border where drugs, thieves, rapists, murderers, and lifelong welfare recipients have poured across in the 10s of millions. All the while the descendants of those who built the country and have paid into the system for centuries are watching it degraded day after day, year after year in the name of humanitarian do-goodery and diversity.
Iran is Israel's enemy, not yours!!!

 

If the US defines its objectives in a war with Iran things which the Iranian people, never mind the regime, don't approve, then there is no easy way for the US to defeat Iran militarily. And Iran has what it takes to make the whole thing a catastrophe. And that is the crux of the problem and why both we won't see a military war breakout soon and why we won't see America's other war with Iran, waged for 4 decades now, end any time soon. Otherwise, if America's only problem with Iran were its leaders, then the US could of course potentially take them out perhaps quickly.

 

That would certainly put the U.S. in the category of a serial black flagger. But NATO is a lap dog on brain-dampening drugs and it would be interesting to see how many on that team would buy the flag hook, line, and sinker - and lend support to the U.S.

Germany refused to join the illegal invasion of Irak and it looks like it is not going to step forward in favour of the planned attack on Iran. The U.S. might start a "hate Germany" campaign very much in the way it did against the U.N. when it refused to sanction the invasion and occupation of Irak. Germany is becoming a key player in Europe and if it can take the heat they have my support.

 

Most people are not even aware of that "on-going" war.

Another CIA coup being planned?

 

Who knows what the CIA is planning, but I was talking more in the context of a "make believe" world where America"s problem was with Iran's leaders and the US didn't want things the Iranian people don't want. In that case, I presume air strikes to take out a few pesky individuals wouldn't be outside the capabilities of the US. But in the real world, because the US wants to impose demands that most Iranians reject, any such action would only the beginning of a war the US will have started but won't be able to finish.

 

Don't be fooled, if the men in the field are let off their chains and allowed to kill on sight, they would crush any Iranian resistance in days. Once an insurgency began, they would be annihilated, that is if the American's were not as kind as they were in Iraq.

 

You have a lot to learn and I don't have that much time or patience. Imagine as you wish.

 

Like what? The typical "bring your men with bodybags" "boneyard of empires" arab machismo non sense? They have no strategic or tactical training/capabilities and no general combat skills.

 

You are even more clueless than I imagined.