Germany nixes US request to join naval mission off Iran

The posture of the Iranian government on these issues is the exact opposite of mine. Thus, while the Iranian government has no problems accepting your #4 demand and, in fact and contrary to what you believe, had already accepted through the JCPOA, and would conversely show its greatest resistance to #2, I would show my greatest flexibility on #2 and my least flexibility on #4.

 

Unfortunately with Irans aggressive history there is no flexibility left on America's part.

 

So, basically just more of Germany bending over for islam. How is this different than any other day in Germanistan?

 

I prefer war to take place sooner as opposed later. With all the advantages the US enjoys, time is not going to be Iran's friend and will merely weaken our position further.

 

I don't want war at all but i do agree the sooner the better. Short vicious wars are much less damaging to people and infrastructure than long protracted wars.

I have nothing but sympathy for the Iranian people, but the Iranian government needs to change it's ways.

 

This is not some philosophical struggle. It is business. The US wants to bottle up some of the world's oil supply to bring prices up enough for frackers to make a profit. That's what is going on in both Iran and Venezuela. Yet still oil is around $55 for Texas crude. Not high enough for the frackers.

The problem is that Iran is not Venezuela. It really can "set the Mideast on fire", and will if attacked. Then oil goes up into the stratosphere and the whole world economy comes crashing down.

Trump really needs to be careful on this one. Not only is Iran deadly serious, but it has allies when push comes to shove.

 

I don't think you are right about the oil.
Other than we have our navy there to help make sure shipping is safe, which we have done for decades. Especially since the Iranian revolution which was primarily Iran stealing BPs infrastructure.

 

It's not America who brokered the deal - it was Obama, against the advice of a lot of people.
The US isn't the one pouring oil on the fire - it's Iran.
Germany is standing firm and UK is a poodle - but when Iran gets The Bomb then Egypt,
Arabia and Turkey have stated they will go nuclear too. And seeing how China and Russia
are standing up to America over Nth Korea's nuclear power I would assume that you, sir,
have no problem with two hundred nations having nuclear weapons once Non-Proliferation
is totally broken.

 

Surely their pal Putin would never allow that to happen..

 

Yep. Germany is so great, so rich, the center of the universe...and they constantly bitch about the U.S. being in that part of the world so when we ask for them to take care of something in their own backyard, they run and hide because the fact of the matter is that they don't want to pay for **** and they are like a bunch of welfare leeches.....they damn sure don't pay their fair share in NATO but expect to reap all the benefits. The U.S. is ONLY in Europe because of Nazi Germany and current Germany really isn't any different than 1940 Germany....their selfish mindset hasn't changed.

I am perfectly fine with the U.S. military leaving Europe. Russia isn't the threat...it's Germany. Always has been. Give them their own weapons and see what happens. The good thing is that if Germany rolled tanks into Poland....again, Russia could nuke Berlin in 15 minutes. Problem solved. There is no way in hell the Russians will let the Germans exceed their borders ever again.

 

Do your own Google search about frackers losing money and sources of credit drying up.

The US Navy will not be able to keep the Straits of Homuz open if Iran is completely choked off and decides to retaliate. It is an illusion and all players involved know this.

 

Ohh i don't disagree that low oil prices make fracking unprofitable. I'm not sure thats a bad thing. But i also don't think that is a primary reason for us to be in the gulf.

We could easily destroy irans ability to cause problems for shipping in the gulf.

 

Things like this are not done for one reason only. The fracking is a big factor, as that is what gives us energy independence.

No doubt we could destroy Iran completely if we wanted, but not before they retaliated by striking and destroying oil infrastructure throughout the Gulf states. Also Hezbollah starts firing off its missiles. Remember they gave Israel a bloody nose in 2006.

So, with all the known consequences, is all this beating of war drums worth it over a ''bad deal" such as the JCPOA?

 

The issue between Iran and the US ultimately boils down to two inter-related issues: Israel and the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), an agenda which was also once (now defunct) neocon organization.

Iran became the focus for Israeli partisans after the rise of Hezbollah. PNAC essentially replaced containment as the blue print for US foreign policy, after a decade of military downsizing following the end of the cold war. This new agenda nicely brought together two powerful special interest groups, namely the pro Israel lobby, the military industrial complex, and relied on evangelicals looking for their Bible prophesies as the foot soldiers serving as their palace guards. The rest of the things are reasons de jour and temporary alliances of convenience, with occasional benefits for some groups and disadvantages for others.

 

Oh, no doubt you are correct. The Israeli lobby drives US foreign policy and some say Trump is a crypto-Jew. Still, a reason de jour is needed to light the match.

 

They already are, such as sabotaging tankers and seizing commercial vessels.

 

It boils down to Iran supporting terrorism and threatening to nuke Israel. If Iran would stop harassing other nations and starting proxy wars, then the region would be closer to peace.

 

Is there a contract we sighned that says we have responsibility in persian gulf?

We have no sanctions on Iran. Your regime does not dictate to us.

 

OK, will you crush the Saudi Regime then? After all they are a danger for iran

 

Before you complain about what other countries do you first must be contributing a member of the worlds community. So Germany's opinion means nothing.

 

It obviously does. We neutralize your sanctions on Cuba since decades. Same about Iran.

We neutralize your war mongering against Iran and keep Peace that way.

 

Iran hasn't sabotaged any tankers. It was the usual false flag attacks to deceive the American public. As for seizing commercial vessels, well Britain did that first and 'tit for tat' is within international law. But then again. we are a law unto our selves anyway - so what difference?

But look, certain people in Washington have been clamoring for war with Iran for a long time - well as long as their families won't be killed and their children won't serve. Why deny them that?

(Sing to the tune of: June Is Busting Out All Over)​

War is busting out all over,
from China to the Middle Sea
It's here and there, and everywhere
as we shall shortly see.

Now chaos is my middle name,
which I am proud to say
and for the ones not in the know
it's called the American way- Jeannette

​

 

False. If America wanted war with Iran we wouldn't ask Germany's permission and there is nothing Germany could do about it.
Totally impudent.

 

Yes, they have. They have also seized a British tanker.

 

UK seized an iranian tanker first