Getting Healthcare Right

Systems are so broken in so many places

 

It is so obvious you have no clue...

However, I will attempt to correct you on one giant blunderous myth that some on the right continue to spew, that healthcare's giant costs are attributable to litigious lawsuits.

I have no clue where you got your figure for malpractice costs, but any serious google search on malpractice premiums will show that premiums have remained rather steady for quite some time (10 years or more), which translates into it not being a major significant contribution to the rising costs of healthcare.

Never mind of course that well over half of the US states already have tort caps in place anyway. So this whole point on blaming lawyers is rather ridiculous to begin with.

Of course this entire ploy is an old hat trick going back about 20 years, underscored by the horrible case of Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants, aka The McDee's Hot Coffee case. Stella Liebeck's case was heralded as an abomination of litigation gone awry, what people failed to see was how severe her injuries were, let alone the facts of the case. Of course, that does not stop greedy parties from employing any means possible to dupe policy makers and their constituents into believing fabricated myths which further their self serving agenda. The myths live longer than the actual circumstances that gave birth to them.

So getting back to your rehashed point -- NO, litigation is not a driving force in the overall issue of rising healthcare costs.

State-by-State Medical Malpractice Damages Caps
The McDonald’s Hot Coffee Case

 

Yes, this is one of the greatest paradoxes in our messed up political landscape which cannot be easily explained.

 

It sounds like you're talking about some sort of medical insurance. We have that in the states, too. You pay into it, and if you keep up your premiums, they will pay a percentage of certain medical bills we get.

So really, there is no disagreement between us. The oxygen thieves can go forth and... who cares what they do, while those who pull their own weight are able to benefit from the profits of their labor.

 

It's a very large part of it....throw out the stupid ones,save a whole bunch of litigation, and consequentially, the enormous cost of litigation insurance

 

No it's not insurance. You are entitled to come to the hospital or doctor, and leave and only pay the cost to leave the parking lot, which has now gone up to three dollars. That is from the moment of your birth.

 

This is why we'll never have good healthcare. Too many people (mostly those family values christians on the right) view healthcare like any other commodity. It's ridiculous that the richest country on earth treats their citizens like garbage. It's an embarrassment. But hey, we've got 54 billion extra to waste on supporting the military industrial complex. Makes me sick.

 

I also have insurance. It pays for most of my prescriptions. I pay a ceiling of 10 dollars a prescription. I get 80 % dental and vision; including dentures and eye surgery (laser) I pay 89 dollars a month. Oh and ten thousand dollars life insurance, short-term and long-term disability

 

Even the oxygen thieves? To hell with that. I'll stick with Trumpcare when it finally passes.

 

Many so called christians use their faith to judge others, and little else. They pick and choose what they feel they should believe from the bible, and conveniently ignore the part about feeding the poor and healing the sick. It's plainly a vehicle for them to express their selfish impulses.

 

Doesn't look like president lardass is going to get much of anything passed. It's pretty embarrassing for him seeing as how his party holds all the branches of government.

 

Sure, all true OP. But we are a capitalist country. A big help would be to force politicians to use the same product they give the average Joe and Jane. I see no hope for America in this dept. What is needed is 2 tier system. Keep what we got for the rich and make a socialized plan funded by sales tax for everyone else.

No other solution...NONE. (Well maybe hire Cuba, India or Mexico to do our healthcare?)

 

Excuse me but what planet are you describing because it certainly is not Cambodia on THIS planet

 

Maybe he is being an ass, but he also introduced some important points such as where to draw the lines required if any case we try to make from your situation is to be coherent.

It looks to me like you're saying that people should help each other. I think that's true. What follows from that, though? Does it mean that those calling themselves the government should "step in" and tell us all exactly how we should be helping each other and to what extent and deciding what should be done with those who won't or can't cooperate?

 

Patient records are highly important as a record of what your medical situation is. I can't imagine wanting to have WORSE patient records. That just doesn't make sense to me. That may make a difference in legal defense, but I don't believe that is the primary reason. There is also the need to be able to research patient outcomes over large numbers of patients in order to determine what works, how to improve early detection, etc.

Pay for nurses comes like employee pay always does - employers figure out how to pay the least possible amount while still getting the job done. Your idea of changing work load as an excuse to charge more is not a real description of what happens. The hospital is better off by being more efficient AND paying lower wages.


The ACA has slowed the rate of increase in health care expenditures. One of the reasons for that is that the ACA tends to encourage pay for outcomes rather than pay for procedures. That is also a reason that other nations pay less per capita for health care.

 

We all have problems and taxes.
I'm not asking faceless people to subsidize me by paying higher tax rates than me

 

Basically that is what Australia did. Do not get me wrong - it is not perfect and even if you have private health cover you can end significantly out of pocket - which is why a lot of people go "stuff it - will take my chance publically

But bottom line is a healthy popilace is a productive one.

 

EVERYONE gets seen

But in the private system you are paying for Grandma who is 99 years old and has been ga ga for years to be on a ventilator 24/7 for months because the hospital is making money off of her.

 

What, that you prefer other people subsidize your desires?

 

This is why you'll never have good governance:

There are too many people who see people as a means to an end instead of ends in and of themselves.

 

Actually, you have paid for it, haven't you? Don't you pay for it through your income taxes?

 

A healthy populace is a productive populace. What makes more economic sense - free health care to assist chronic conditions like Asthma stay in control or make that health care so expensive that people become non-compliant and end in ICU at over $5000 per day?

 

No, government runs hospitals and, all of the healthcare system is under one umbrella. Grandma goes home and has health care nurses and home care workers, and hopefully, gets to die at home.
I used to be a home care worker, who bathed and changed and looked after these people. Depending on how often it was needed, a nurse came in and did any procedures right there. The home care worker will also do grandma's laundry and clean her room and the bathroom and whatever needs to be done.

My grandmother got to die in her own bed. We didn't need the home care, just the nurse. Big family. Even the doctor came to the house; they even let us give her the morphine shots (they trained a couple of us) so it could just be family there when it happened.

 

Yep but I would be paying for it regardless so either way

And it is STILL cheaper to get the government to run it

 

Healthcare as a "desire"?

Next time you are ill or injured, just ask yourself how much of a desire you have to stay in that condition.