Give me a good reason why the rich should pay more taxes

No, less but better government. Most current government spending is undertaken in a futile attempt to undo the harm caused by taxing productive economic activity instead of the privileges of rich, greedy parasites. Shifting the tax burden off production and onto their idle, wasteful rent seeking would make most government spending unnecessary.

 

Most of the asset value of the rich consists of government-issued and -enforced privileges such as land titles, patents and copyrights, and banksters' privilege of issuing government-backed debt money in order to charge interest on it. Almost all the wealth of almost all the rich is based on these and other government favors such as farm subsidies, government contracts (especially the black hole of defense spending), professional licensing monopolies, etc.

 

There is no end, only transition from one state of motion, to another, until a new state of equilbrium results.

"The universe can, and will, recreate itself, from nothing, due to the law of gravity"

 

What a load of stupid, dishonest filth. It is the right that is authoritarian, becuase it is precisely individuals' rights and liberty that government has forcibly removed and made into the private property of the rich through privileges such as land titles, corporate limited liability, intellectual property monopolies, private banksters' privilege of issuing government-backed debt money that the rest of us are required to use, etc.

Your claims are the exact, diametric opposite of the truth.

 

No, that's just more stupid, dishonest garbage. The rich almost never contribute remotely as much to society as they take from it.

Garbage. Almost all the income of the super-duper uber-rich is obtained by unproductive (and in fact destructive) rent seeking behavior, not productive effort or investment.

No, it's not like that. It's more like saying, "Wait a minute, you got that big house by manipulation and government favors, not by making any sort of productive contribution. You need to start repaying some of what you have been taking from the community."

 

At least they are PRODUCTIVE. Unlike what the rich do to be "successful."

No, they mostly just take from the community via their government-issued and -enforced privileges. Why do you think wealth and income inequality peaked just before the crashes of 1929 and 2008, hmmmmm?

Oh, really? "Government employed leeches" like police officers, teachers, sanitation workers, and road maintenace crews? REALLY???

If the rich were really making commensurate contributions to production to earn their wealth, you would be able to answer The Question:

"How, exactly, is production aided by the landowner's demand that the producer pay HIM for what government, the community, and nature provide?"

And you can't.

No, that's just more stupid, dishonest garbage from you. The super-duper uber-rich are now paying less of their income in taxes than any time in the last 80 years, and you call that "rape."

Disgraceful.

 

Actually, give me a good reason why anyone should pay any taxes.

 

Because there needs to be someone who decides how the land is used, due to land being rivalrous. If it's not the person who owns the land, then it'd have to be a collective authority somewhere.

And collective, top-down authorities, tend to be far worse at determining land use than individual owners. Just look at how the soft-version of collective decision-making, zoning laws, tend to fail.

If so, that's true across the board. The Rich don't pay a lower rate than poorer Americans, if that's what you're getting at. If you try, I predict you'll suggest the tax rate on capital gains, to which I'll respond: "It's taxed twice", and the effective tax rate, measured by the IRS, shows it to be higher than that alone.

 

No one should have to pay more taxes but we have a big deficit, been in war for over a decade and live in a consuming debt based economy. So our ever spending government will take from those who can afford it.

 

Because they steal all they have from the rest of us, and if they don't at least pay something back we'll ultimately have to hang them or starve to death. A man making a million a year can afford to pay 80% of that without being too bothered.

 

No, its actually true. When you earn income, it is taxed. If you invest that income and it grows, its taxed again.

 

So the guy making a million should be mandated by the government to live on 200K and give the rest to the government to waste? Is that your plan?

Well, then tell me this, why would anyone work hard enough to make a million a year? Why would Bill Gates invent windows? why would Steve Jobs invent Apple? Why would Oprah work beyond January of each year?

typical *******---you guys never think anything all the way to its logical conclusion.

The problem is not govt revenue, its govt spending. The govt could take 100% of the income of every working person in the country and they would still have a spending problem.

 

I'll give you a good reason. Because they are the only ones who can afford to.

 

they already do pay more. How much is enough?

You do realize that obozo's tax plan will raise enough money in a year to run the govt for 8 days don't you? taxing the rich is not the solution. It may make you feel better and ease your jealousy and envy, but it won't solve the problem

 

The 'government', as you know, is chosen by and represents the very rich. The man who steals a million from his workers then uses part of that to buy a politician and a bit of the media, as you know, but can afford to use a lot of that money on saving the poor and sick from starvation. Why should burglars work hard if we take their thievings off them? Come ON! And don't call me an effin liberal, fascist! The problem is that the extremely rich are grabbing so much of the available dollar supply that the rest have nothing to spend on keeping the system growing and working: any sane capitalist therefore believes in proper taxes because the alternative is the removal of all his loot and his probable demise - it's the only option the fools will leave us, you see.

 

I seemed to have found a flaw in your plan.

Uh, yeah it does. You give your money to a corporation, and the corporation pays taxes on it. Your ultimate return then, will be short the corporate tax rate, plus the capital gains tax rate.

Also, here's a demonstration that goes further down the Rabbit hole, explaining how some people get taxed out of as much as 98% of their potential income.

 

Nice theory, Karl. (Marx that is). "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" sounds great doesn't it. The problem is that under that system there is no incentive to work--just sit back and let the govt provide for your "needs".

Its the profit motive that makes this country work. Take that away the the entire american dream is dead.

I really do not understand why the left hates the rich when many of the very rich support left wing ideology. I guess they think that they will be exempt from govt confiscation of their wealth---Oops, sorry Oprah, we are taking yours too, you will now have to live on 200K. LOLOLOLOL

 

LOL @ obozo

Seriously, give me a source on the eight days stuff. That's interesting if true.

Look I realize that over taxing people is counter productive. However there are some people that have more money than they know what to do with and I they should pay more. I don't have a problem with people being rich, however the distribution of wealth is just to distorted towards the upper end currently. Someone recently noted that the Walton family is worth about 115 billion dollars and that you would have to work at Walmart millions of years at around $8.00 an hour to have that much money. Something is wrong with that picture.

 

here ya go: http://www.politisite.com/2012/11/28/obamas-plan-to-tax-the-rich-would-run-govt-for-8-days/

and I think 'obozo' fits. chief circus clown

 

to the second part of your post. I too have no problem raising taxes on the very rich, but 250K is not the very rich. and no matter how much money is taken from the rich, it will not solve the problem, only spending cuts will solve it.

 

Because they can.

 

why should the government cut spending? because they can. Raising taxes on anyone or everyone is not the answer to runaway spending by an incompetent government.

 

I can give you $16 trillion reasons. The rich ran up the debt, and they should pay it off, instead of passing it on to future generations. The rich are the leaches of humanity.