God Given Rights

in order to make such a statement of fact, you would first need to prove the existence of this god of yours.

 

Where do you get rape out of that? And where does it ok it? For the Meridianites are the ones that raped and oppressed the woman already. God said if they are to take these woman they must marry them. This is where I would refer you to God's rules of marriage.

 

What do you think those virgin girls are being "kept" for?

If I force my rape victim to marry me, she's still my rape victim. All marrying her does is ensure that I get to rape her as much as I want for the rest of her life.

Why was your God too dumb to put a blanket restriction against rape in the Bible? Why was your God too stupid to not tell people to provide for rape victims without forcing them to be continually raped by their attacker?

 

Yes. We fought a Civil War in order that they were no longer robbed of those rights by democrats.

 

Washington and the other Founders who held slaves and continued to support violating their rights were Democrats?

 

uh, you understand that republicans owned slaves too right?

 

Wrong.

Try this exercise:

 

"God given rights" simply means inherent civil and human rights declared by humans.

Until God actually makes an appearance before Congress, that is all it can mean.

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Notably, most of the founders were agnostics and Unitarians.

 

uh, it's how debates work. You are claiming rights come from god. This premise rests on the existence of a god. you have to prove the existence first.

again, you brought religion into this with "god given rights". you first need to prove this god exists, before a discussion can be had on whether it gave us rights or not.

 

That was pre-democrat party obviously.

Seems like an odd accusation.

 

So what was your point in bringing up Democrats when we are talking about the period before parties even existed?

Also, what is the functional difference between the government not legally protecting a right and that right not existing?

 

I had written a longer more detailed post but unfortunately it didn't save and my page refreshed regardless the summary is that i totally agree with you! I think the words spoken by Kennedy in his Inaugural address state it beautifully, that "the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God." Great post and interesting read thanks!

 

it wasn't an accusation.

 

This exchange is over because you either didn't read any of my posts or do not understand the difference.

 

If law's are not changed, then neither does the society. It is only technology that changes the society. For as men we are the same as from the beginning. The only thing different is technology. We still have thief's, pimps, prostitutes, gangs (outlaws or tribes), war, rape, tyrants, etc., I think you get the picture. All the stuff from the past is still here. All the good and bad is still the same in man's hearts. Technology is the only thing to change them, making it easier for evil, and harder for good.

Privacy is privacy no matter where or what it is pertaining. There is no such thing as online privacy, anything can be found or hacked. Therefore no privacy. And anybody should have the right to protect themselves, with whatever weapon they see fit. Who am I to tell you, you can't have that or you can't make that.

 

Seems like an accusation to me.

 

Same place we started from

Again we are based on the laws of nature and natures god. That means natural law. Its self evident.

 

it was over before it began. your premise is contingent upon a god existing, in order for us to have god given rights.

you can't or won't prove its existence, so your premise is defeated.

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having no relevance to the fact it wasn't an accusation. it's a statement of fact.

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what god? prove it exists.

but we know there is no such thing as natural law.

 

Most were Christians other than that you are correct.

 

The parties did exist during the Civil War.

But the right did exist. That is why we call it a God given right.

 

All borrowed. Borrowed from the English. Borrowed from Montesquieu. Borrowed from here and there. But collated very nicely and effectively. There is nothing unique in what the Founding Fathers put together but they knitted it well. As for God-given rights, well of course they'd claim that. Try arguing with God in the 18th Century.

 

So then God Given Right is a meaningless term because the first 70 years of the nation and the experiences of its black population show there is no functional difference between not having a right and a right not being protected.

 

Your God given rights are something you are enjoying at this very moment. Without them you would have no freedom of speech.
There, I just proved the existence of God given rights.

You have not proved it to be a statement of fact, therefore it is an accusation.

 

Even the New Testament tells us that the wife shall be submissive to the husband. So with your ideology, you probably interpret this as another ok to rape your wife. But as a man of faith, I know better, I know this is not what God meant, for God is all about love. Only someone with limited brain capacity, could come up with such an answer.

 

God is irrelevant . Call it mother nature or do you deny that exists ? The point again is there are laws man can not change.

Thats your problem you dont even recognize what the US is based on

Yes that silly piece of paper you say has no bearing on our laws.http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Natural+Law