GOP vaccine resistance confronting Biden has deep roots

I disagree. At this point people are exhausted from the scare and the shut downs and if the democrats go that route they are gonna get voted the **** out.

 

I hope you are right. The DEMS used the Covid scare to elect Biden once. I know the saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... but with the media manipulation and the dumbed down education system who knows.

 

Thank you. I understand better how Trumpian denialism works.
That is to say, repeating a falsehood over and over again, hoping to make it a truth.

It probably works for some, but not for me and others who have patiently explained to you that your claim that "more Republicans are dying of COVID" is nothing more than wish-casting.

At the end of 2020 there were 331,002,647 people in America.
There are 333,770,690 people in America now.
Republicans and Independents have increased in proportion as the total number has increased.
The only one group that has shrunk in number is.... that's right... DEMOCRATS.

It's never too late to take a math class.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

 

I don’t have a political party — neither even remotely represents my ideology.

As to the would “cult” — it modifies Republicans identifying a specific sub-group. I am not referring to all Republicans as I am sure some a very fine people but the extreme hyper-partisan side that believes their views should be forced on the people of this nation against their will even if it means subverting / destroying democracy.

 

Ah so you only follow ones you agree with — odd how you usually are less accepting when others do the same.

 

Then it should be even more in Republican interest to get vaccinated. This is the STUPIDEST a post I have seen in a long long time.

iF they WERE vaccinated then unvaccinated illegals would not pose a such a threat. Vaccination does not just protect others it protects YOU from dying from the virus

 

So… you don’t mind paying for the icu bills these people are racking up before they die? Whether those people are covered under private or public health option YOU WILL ultimately be the one paying either through taxes or increased premiums

 

I'm advocating that people who won't make a minimal effort to protect themselves shouldn't be able to then use a disproportionate share of scarce resources to treat them for a malady they could have easily prevented.

People ARE dying because unvaccinated covid sufferers have taken space they needed in the ICU.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/12/alabama-ray-demonia-hospitals-icu/

 

This goes beyond the government to private insurers as well - everyone with private health insurance will also ultimately have to pay more

 

And they have been around for more than a year now and have been given to over 4.3 BILLION a people worldwide

what do you think is going to happen?

 

I have to doubt that many of these illegals stay unvaccinated for very long as easy as vaccines are to get. They don't ask for ID or anything.

Illegals, unlike many conservatives it seems, are not stupid

 

For me obeying mask mandates is similar to the guards at Aucshwitz who just followed orders. When the rules violate a man's human rights, it is his duty to resist. Those who resist are the heroes. Those who use centralized force to strip away essential freedoms are the villains. Are you on the side of good or evil?

 

Sounds like it's taken care of then.

 

And people are dying because they're smoking. They're having unprotected sex and contract HIV. They're driving under the influence. They still get treated though. Their personal choices led them to that. I would apologize and say that's freedom for you but honestly, I'm not sorry.

 

A year. It takes 4 years on average to develop, study, and get a vaccine ready and approved. A year is nothing when it comes to a vaccine that was rushed out to try and make Trump look good in time for the elections.

 

We will all be inexplicably compelled to buy Windows 11.

See, it's happening already

 

I don't like paying anyone's ICU bills, but how are these people any different than smokers, homeless drug abusers, illegal immigrants, fatties, transgendered nuts, or your average mountain biker that falls and breaks some ribs on a weekend ride? They're all "clogging up hospitals" and doing things that ultimately cost me money. Why are we singling out the vaccine hesitant?

 

"People who won't make a minimal effort to protect themselves" make up the vast majority of ICU patients. Why isn't this philosophy of yours equally applicable to the obese heart attack patient, the little kid who broke his arm on a trampoline, and the person who went through a windshield in a car crash because they weren't wearing their seatbelts?

 

We now have athletes dropping on the field from the vaccinations due to heart conditions. We have the vaccinated catching and dying from Covid.

Someday the truth will come out like Pfizer releasing tranches of papers proving they knew of vaccine deaths in the first 3 months of distribution.

 

So the liberal position is unvaccinated Republicans are bad and/or a threat. On the other hand unvaccinated illegals are not a big problem. To me this inconsistency reflects (to use your word) stupid thinking. Either that or the logic that comes from getting fifty cents a post.

 

Not being obese is not easy. Little kids are expected to have accidents. The person who went through a windshield was not trying to have an accident even if he was drunk.

There is NO valid comparison. The vaccine is readily available for free everywhere anytime for anyone and involves almost no pain at all. There is NO logical excuse for not getting it. If you haven't got it and come down with COVID symptoms then you should NOT be taking up a bed which someone who is sick for a good reason might need.

 

Did you really just compare wearing masks to the guards that forcibly detained and then preformed a genocide against an innocent population because they were deemed not pure…

Jesus man. That’s dense.

 

This is where your philosophy falls apart. Seatbelts are free and readily available too. There's no logical excuse for not wearing them. If someone hasn't done so, and is injured in a wreck, they "should NOT be taking up a bed" too. And similar arguments could be made for the vast majority of patients in hospitals. They bear some responsibility for their own illness / injury.

Trying to argue that hospitals shouldn't treat people you don't like is really, REALLY F***ed up, but if you don't see how that might get turned around and used against you and your political allies one day, you're also REALLY short-sighted.

 

The actual meaning of my comparison seems to be going ENTIRELY over your head, If your are injured for not wearing seatbelts and that can be proven there is a good chance the insurance won't pay. In all the other cases the effort required to avoid them is far from trivial, like it is with the vaccine.

How do you think this might be turned against me pray tell?

 

We're not discussing whether their insurance should pay or not. We're discussing who should be treated at hospitals. Your point was "I'm advocating that people who won't make a minimal effort to protect themselves shouldn't be able to then use a disproportionate share of scarce resources to treat them for a malady they could have easily prevented." The payment for those services is another matter entirely.

If you want to start picking and choosing who gets treatment based on the patient's choices, what makes you think you get to decide when "the effort required to avoid " is trivial vs not? I happen to find not sucking dicks incredibly trivial to accomplish. Does that mean hospitals can stop treating MSM with HIV? How about criminals shot in the course of their crimes? Should the hospitals refuse to treat the Michael Browns of the world because it would have been a trivial matter to choose to not rob the convenience store?