GOP's Case Against Planned Parenthood Collapses

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Zeffy, Oct 10, 2015.

  1. beth115

    beth115 New Member Past Donor

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    I don't care about what McCarthy or any other representative says. It isn,'t a republican or democrat question but a moral one. Republicans tried to pass legislation making an ELECTIVE abortion after 5 Months illegal and democrats even opposed that. At 5 months a fetus has a heart beat a functioning brain and is very close to having the ability to survive outside the womb. Shame on the democrats and women that would decide to electively abort a fetus at this age. A legal elective abortion should be one where the embryo has no heart beat
    in my opinion. There is no reason a woman should not be able to make the decision within two months. PERIOD.

    Many women that have had elective abortions and later regret it.
     
  2. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a heartbeat by 3 weeks. Most women don't even know they are pregnant at that stage.



    Please cite your source.
     
  3. FoxHastings

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  4. Phyxius

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    You mean the fetal heartbeat/12-week ban a federal appeals court incinerated four months ago? That Act 301?

    Let me explain how things work: Once a federal court says your law is unconstitutional, it's DOA. One might even say, "aborted." Nothing your legislature or governor can do will change that. Barring SCOTUS reversing it - and you would have far better odds of giving birth to a platypus than SCOTUS actually touching this case - it remains aborted. Not only that, but every single state that has been stupid enough to try this BS has found their efforts aborted, either by their own legislatures, or by the courts.

    While I do not know you, and really could care less how you feel, it would put an evil little grin on my face knowing that reality stings... pfffft.gif
     
  5. jack4freedom

    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One great thing that came out of this investigation was that the whole country got to see what a psychotic lunatic Carly Fiorina is at the first GOP debate. I thought she was going to have a stroke right there on the stage. LOL
     
  6. CurtisNeeley

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    I think over a million people in Arkansas decided to respect the dignity of a living human fetus heartbeat BEFORE viability. Roe is either updated or falls by the end of next year.

    The District Court and the Eighth Circuit had to follow Roe but by November 15th SCOTUS will have only one honorable option, -allowing Arkansas Act 301. I have spoken to one judge personally and another recently agreed. Still; It is either 9-0 or I no longer respect America. 5-4 is a failure either way.

    PP will no longer kill a living fetus again in America by the end of next year.
     
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    Are you aware that some women have irregular periods and don't know they are pregnant within two months? Are you aware that many prenatal tests are not done until 5 months, so the parents don't know they are dealing with a problem fetus until then? Are you aware that legislation does not affect the number of abortions performed? Are you aware that late-term, that is after viability, abortions are already illegal?

    Are you aware that the purpose of legislation is not to prevent people from having regrets? And that women who don't have abortions sometimes later regret it?
     
  9. CurtisNeeley

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    hardly....recognizing the natural right to autonomy for 11 weeks requires balancing the dignity of the pregnant female with the fetus inside after 12.


    I would never believe it either. There were four bodyguards but no cameras.

    well.... abortaficients will be as easy to get as antibiotics very soon and EPTs will be available in most public restrooms.

    A nuclear explosion off the coast of New York, CA, and other main trunks of overseas cables would permanently destroy the "nternet" or make it reach only within America. "Nternet" was created to protect contiguous wire communications where multiple other wires could still be used. The wires are a tangled web on the continents but these webs do not cross oceans. Snip-Snip-Snap poof.
    Abortions will still happen.
     
  10. FoxHastings

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  11. Phyxius

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    While I certainly applaud the optimism of your post, I find it's grasp of reality questionable at best. In other words: Prepare for disappointment... :roll:

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    EXACT-A-MUNDO. It's kinda like the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd gives you the CHOICE to own a Glock and leave it loaded on your nightstand with the safety off. When a two year old picks it up and shoots his/her infant sibling with it, regret is entirely optional. I'm amazed at how many Forced-Birthers understand this about guns but not abortion, and rabidly defend the former, but not the latter. The irony in that dichotomy is mind-boggling... Disappointed_zps1c3596ba.gif


    Wait for it... whistle_zpse7930712.gif
     
  13. FoxHastings

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  15. Zeffy

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    $50 says you're wrong.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pro Involuntary Gestation works, too. :)
     
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    Money is not capable of speaking and is not First Amendment individual speech like held in Citizens United. Yes; My petition to intervene or file an amicus may be denied.

    Consideration of Act 301 without considering my petition will be impossible even if SCOTUS denies my motion to intervene because the book, website, and movie will become classics and be mentioned in law schools from now on.

    If Arkansas 301 is not allowed, this very law will be reworked and fine tuned over the next few years. Anyone who reads this Petition for Certiorari recognizes the inevitable results for artificial abortion of a living human fetus.

    There was NEVER a legal case against PP. The human species has started to respect individual human lives and the human species as a whole has a case against killing miniature humans even when these humans are on life-support and even if this life-support is a human placenta supporting a fetus that is NOT yet "viable" with a white mother and Negro father. Gestation is not allowed aborted after 12-weeks so even this biracial fetus can grow up and might become U.S. President.
     
  18. FoxHastings

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    """""""""""The human species has started to respect individual human lives""""""""""""""""


    :roflol: Ya, nobody is dying at the hands of anyone else, the world is at peace, no one takes anyone else's life....WTF!!!!......do you read what you write?
     
  19. CurtisNeeley

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    Yes I do read these several times to make sure the claims are valid.
    The human species has startedto live peacefully and has started to seriously communicate "online". There are still death penalties in many U.S. States. Wars still happen and crimes still occur. Still, it is clear that humanity is trying; - at least to most judges.
     
  20. FoxHastings

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    WHO are these "most judges" ?

    Have you NEVER read a history book? Do you know what is going on in the world NOW? It doesn't look like it........NO one is "at peace".
     
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    Those who sit at the Supreme Court. I am speaking of these judges and their clerks. They can deny my Petition for Certiorari but they will not deny EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH with access to wire communications disguised as "enternet" the ability to read EVERY BRIEF FILED DURING THIS CASE for free as a PDF file.

    I would guess after my service in the United States Marine Corps, I am much more aware of the waxing or waning of peace than most people. As a conscientious objector to war discharged after 3.5 years as a meritoriously promoted NCO with a GCM professing opposition to war on moral but NOT religious grounds.


    Apparently you have not studied history or read too quickly; try again.
    1,094,453 died during the Civil War
    12,000,000 dead in WWI.
    50-60,000,000 in WWII.
    Total cost of wars post 9/11 225,000
    Please do no feel like a complete idiot. Few consider there were more than 4.86 people killed in the U.S. civil war for every one person who has died in a "war" since 9/11.

    Few consider there were more than 244 people killed in WWII for every one person who has died in a "war" since 9/11.
    Sounds like the species is making progress since communications have improved so much.
    Really; >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<<

    The GOP attack on PP was only one visible, humorous response to the videos.
    Humans, as a species, do not like a fetus to be killed because a fetus is a complete individual human on life-support connected via an umbilical cord to a placenta.
     
  22. Bowerbird

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    And how many will do that?

    A hundred? No more like a handful

    People will not read what they are not interested in and your "brief" unfortunately will not interest many and of those who are interested fewer still will be motivated to act

    And if the species WERE motivated to act then there would be no grinding poverty while rich nations squander the birthright of the poor

    There would be no maternal deaths - hideous maternal deaths in countries where abortion is outlawed - again mostly third world countries

    We would not sit idly by while atrocities are done - in the name of sovereignty

    We would act to help the starving, feed the poor and alleviate drought and desperation
     
  23. FoxHastings

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    Apparently your lack of knowledge as to what is going on in the world hasn't affected your opinion.

    War is ongoing, maybe not on your street but see, there's a whole big world out there and there are humans all over with so little respect for "human dignity" that they murder, cheat, torture, steal, rape, enslave............your assertion that human nature has changed and humans now respect "life" is pure poppycock.

    There are decent people fighting for human rights which include the right of women to have an abortion.....to be respected as human beings not breeding cattle.....an idea you don't share.
     
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    When you voluntarily choose to have sex and become pregnant by accident or on purpose and then do not abort gestation in the first 11-weeks you have chosen to be the required life-support for a human placenta supporting a fetus. The right to abort gestation exists absolute until the fetus develops and then must be balanced against the human dignity of the fetus. The people "fighting for human rights" to abort human fetuses are NOT decent people in my opinion nor in the opinion of most other humans on earth. Whether you or ANYONE agrees or does not will not matter for very much longer.
     

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