Gorsuch Frustrates Democrats at Confirmation Hearing

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  1. gc17

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    How do you answer a gotcha question?
     
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    You should read up on Judge Gorsuch. He is the exact guy you want on the Supreme Court.
     
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    If you're going to fight a judicial nomination, it's best to do it if Trump gets to replace Ginsburg, Breyer, or even Kennedy. Your side lost son. You tried to replace Scalia with a liberal, but it failed. You're not swinging the court to the left. It's best to save this fight defending something you can't afford to lose.
     
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    Judges should not insert their own morality. Gorsuch had to use some colorful hoop jumping to get to the decision he came to, and injected words into the law in the Maddin case that didn't exist in the original premise of the law.

    Judges should use reasonable and prudent deference as per Chevron when it comes to interpretations. Gorsuch did not do that. He also dissembled when he wrote his dissent. He did not convey the risk the driver was in in his dissent. He downplayed the risks the driver was undertaking while sitting on the side of the road.

    Avowed socialist? Sanders is a democratic socialist. I happen to disagree with capitalism, and its verified horrendous track record. Unfettered laissez faire has been a black stain on the face of humanity since its first conception.

    Communism is the extreme opposite of the extreme capital ideal. Socialism is the absolutely normal correction to the imbalance of both. Capitalism exists in a vacuum that doesn't believe greed is a problem. Communism exists in a vacuum that believes greed is the only problem. Socialism corrects the ills of both by addressing both with common sense solutions.

    I digress, and back to the point; nothing Gorsuch wrote on the Maddin decision made a single iota of sense when discussing jurisprudence.

    And, I again restate, Franken whipped that ass when it came to Gorsuch's "I try not to get involved with politics" claim. He was unequivocally destroyed by Franken, which was hilarious to see.
     
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    Good observation. And yet, when confronted again with this issue in the future, liberals will only become more breathless. It's hard to hear now, we can only imagine the histrionics in the future.
     
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    LOL... Perhaps your opinion is shaped by those who used the smallest words? I cannot decide here. I almost took your comment seriously, as in you seriously believed what you were writing, right up to your reference for your admiration for that clown Al. Al got his butt handed to him. That you thought that was a success worth writing about it truly a gift. Thanks.
     
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    The one thing I did get from the confirmation hearing was the desire to nap..
     
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    Oh, no. I don't admire Stewart. It was just hilarious to see Stewart bring up Gorsuch's political history and throw it in his face after he claimed he didn't like to get involved in politics.
     
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    The reference was to mr Franken. So not sure what you are responding to with this.
     
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    Really?

    Ok, I misspelled it, but....

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    Gorsuch is inherently and factually flawed. You thought Ginsburg was a bad pick? What's so good about this Christian nut, that he stands with Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of the Poor, instead of with the rest of America? One way this Colorado lemon is inherently flawed is that he is a orignalist. To people who can't leave the Constitution alone for a split-second, this is a win, but for the rest of Americans who know this document is long overdue for a rewrite, its only a diversion from focusing on larger issues, and actually making progress, including granting the SCOTUS to do more than simply interpret the law.

    Aside from the fact the dude sides with state over federal rights, which everyone who graduated High School knows isn't feasible, Gorsuch is a bombshell of a SC Justice.
    Way to go Trump.
     
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    Indeed, and Gorsuch is not a bad choice, even if he isn't like Sotomayor.
     
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    Gorsuch just decimated Blumenhal. It was a thing of beauty...Democrats didn't care about middle class America and now, suddenly after their surprise loss, they think they can talk about corporations being bad when they all accept Wall Street money...
     
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    Seemed to me like he was mocking their asinine questions.
     
  15. Robert

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    Yeah but, Franken says he has been a Senator for 8 years.
    And how long has Gorsuch been a lawyer and later a Judge?

    Franken is not quite as bad as the woman from Hawaii, Mazie Hirono I believe she is called.
     
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    You have some incorrect information.
    The Democrats are wild about Garland. Democrats are political. Clearly they see Garland as advancing Democrats ideology.

    We see Gorsuch as sticking to law and explaining decisions based on the law. It is not politics as usual.
    Second Trump has nothing to do with this. And his government is not all under investigation by the FBI. The Russians are being investigated to see who they worked with as to our election. Thus far, nobody has claimed Trump or his team colludded with the Russians.

    I see Mitch as invoking the Democrats rules and using the nuclear option. I keep hoping some of the Democrats are fair but can't think of any of them willing to be able to support Gorsuch. Gorsuch is the same Judge that WOWed the Senate when he last was confirmed.
     
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    Gorsuch should be confirmed, and this will enable the Supreme Court to fulfill it's mission. I expect whatever conservatism the judge has will be moderated by the other justices and in due course they'll all develop a working relationship. Gorsuch is certainly not a "partisan hack", couldn't be to get where he is. Remember he was confirmed already by a bunch of Democrats.
     
  18. Robert

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    What would make me laugh is for Trump to pack the court. There is no law as to number of Justices. FDR tried it.

    Were I Donald, I would shoot for 13 Justices and appoint no liberal judges at all.
     
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    Seeing "conservatives" doing a touchdown dance after a field goal is bad enough, but it's a lot worse when they're down by seven touchdown in the middle of the fourth quarter. The prospective appointment to the SC of such a Souteresque nominee - who has, inter alia, affirmed that Obergefell is settled law, and apologized for using the phrase "undocumented alien" rather than "undocumented immigrant" - is nothing to celebrate.
     
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    You want judges that vote based on politics, not based on law. Explains how we get asshats like Elana Kagan in there.
     
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    I just call them illegal aliens.
     
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    Professor Toobin who is on the Democrats side, says for a fact Gorsuch is going to make a brilliant Justice.

    Some forgot, not me though, the crappy thing Democrats did to the awesome Robert Bork. How they played petty politics to stop a super judge from being on the Supreme Court. They doubled down with the Schumer and Biden rules. They need to stop crying. Gorsuch could even tick me off. As he says, Judges are not going to make us all happy. Democrats demanded he explain future rulings and thankfully Gorsuch refused. They know his past. He has ample writings.
     
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    Of course. He must remain impartial and hear the facts of the case, Silly.

    Neil Gorsuch will have the support of all 52 Senate Republicans for confirmation to the Supreme Court and probably a half-dozen or so Democrats. Backing Gorsuch could save the seats of Democrats from conservative states. That has inflamed left-wing wacko, who have threatened to oppose any Senate Democrat who supports Trump's Supreme Court nominee.

    Several incumbent senators will face competitive re-election races next year, such as West Virginia's Joe Manchin or North Dakota's Heidi Heitkamp. They can face Republican opponents next year as obstructionists, or as thoughtful experienced senators of conscience, who supported a clearly qualified nominee, whom Democrats can't defeat anyway and who wouldn't change the ideological balance of the Supreme Court. Gorsuch takes the seat of the late great conservative Justice Antonin Scalia.

    Michael Moore, the crazed left-wing filmmaker, warned Senate Democrats that if they did not "filibuster and block" the Gorsuch nomination, "we will find a true progressive and primary u in next election."

    In Seattle, a liberal blog this week called for pressuring Senator Maria Cantwell to oppose Gorsuch in every way.

    Abortion-rights advocates and some labor unions have still cast the vote as a loyalty test.

    The hard left wing wants party leaders to filibuster the Gorsuch nomination, which would put even more pressure on Democratic senators from conservative states. Much as the leaders would like to avoid what would probably be a futile gambit anyway -- Republicans could invoke The Reid Rule, and eliminate the filibuster if they didn't have 60 votes for confirmation.
     
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    By "sticking to the Constitution" you mean ruling in favor of huge monied interests, greedy corporations and international bank swindlers while ruling against working people at every turn. If Mitch invokes the nuclear option I sincerely believe that the GOP will live to regret it in the very near future. It looks like Trump and the band of thieves and swindlers he has surrounded himself with are in for the short term kill which will destroy any credibility that the GOP has. Then the Democrats will regain both houses and the Presidency by 2020 and appoint several 40 something ultra liberal judges by using that same nuclear option. I sincerely hope that McConnell and his greedy cohorts overplay their hand and force the action regarding Gorsuch.
     
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    When I was a loyal Democrat, i spoke precisely like you speak. So I honestly do not blame you for believing myths. I spent decades myself believing them too.

    No I do not mean that at all.

    Most of Gorsuch rulings that impacted on the normal person were won by the normal guy. Corporations and you and I deserve equal treatment. And Gorsuch did not please all corporations.

    Corporations often have staff attorneys. Most pay outside legal firms a lot of money. Naturally the better lawyers end up employed that way. We small guy might get lucky to find a local lawyer who knows what he or she is doing.

    So I might blame the lawyers were I you.

    Democrats ought to regret what they did to Robert Bork too. Do you see a hint they care? Gorsuch may be in the same mold as Bork. If he is, we have a winner.

    Reid used the nuclear option.

    Suddenly Democrats no longer like it. That is sour grapes.
     

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