Great news for those who say Trump has not been given the right to defend himself!

Please Trump, testify so that we can use entrapment to depose you! We learn from the best, the FBI! Just look at all those people who went to jail. Who lied about and protected a president for a crime the FBI never could charge and congress could not impeach for! So probably the crime doesn't exist but at lease we put lots of people in jail. That should make anyone who likes the president think twice about helping him make America great!

 

We know you where ok with Harry Reid using the nuclear option until it bit you in the Butt

We know you where fine with it when Harry Reid lied about Romney's tax returns, said he was glad he did it and once again turned on you and bit you in the butt

Its funny how Democrats keep playing with fire and then cry about it, why?

 

Which won't happen not to worry. The Senate will be calling mostly the people responsible for this farce and if they refuse show up move for summary dismissal.

 

Which is exactly what we saw on the Intelligence Committee. Didn't help Trump much, though.

Especially if they can't speak a word in their defense.

My response to what? Of course impeachment is a political procedure!! Is that some sort of news to you? What the hell is Fox telling you? You really need to find a way to get informed.

Updated: I think I see what you are confused about. Of course it's a legal procedure. It's a legal political procedure. Your confusion seems to lie somewhere in the fact that it's not a criminal procedure, I bet. I'm appalled that Fox (or whatever media you are using to try to inform yourself) won't even tell you the basics when we're in the middle of an Impeachment.

 

Trump had no legal counsel present nor was allowed to call witnesess.

You know what and where.

I have no confusion you ate the one confused did you reply in the thread?

 

So your argument is that deposing a pathological liar under oath is "entrapment"?

We should be able to expect a President of the United States not to lie under oath. But you are right in that Trump has set the bar so low that it's under ground.

 

What does a procedural matter to stop gridlock (right or wrong) have to do with a criminal President?

Oh! I know! You don't have anything to defend him with. Don't feel bad. Neither does anybody in Congress. So, just like you, they have no option but to try to change the subject. Hmmm... come to think of it.... actually you should feel bad about putting partisanship above your country.

The problem with the "change the subject at all costs" line of defense is that I don't see how that is going to work with the American People. You guys better come up with a new one. Changing the subject, denying the facts, undermining the witnesses, blaming it on some "Hillary" person... none of those are going to work...

Maybe you should try addressing the facts. It's a risk, I know. Because it would require Trump to be innocent. Which is like expecting proof that it was flying saucers that brought down the WTC.

 

Legal Counsel? Trump wasn't present! What the hell would he need legal counsel for if he wasn't testifying?

Your response is weird as hell!

Yes! In fact, I answered twice on that post. You just quoted the first few words and deleted my responses! Not very honest of you (intellectually speaking) to do that.

I say again: this post is weird. It's as if you had been caught red-handed and didn't know what to respond, so you just cut the post that rebutted you.

Try again!

 

The hearings are not a trial. Typically criminals don't get to dictate to the prosecutor the terms of the investigation. Trump will get his turn soon enough. In his trial in the Senate. Of course a lot more will come out as the snowball gathers more evidence.

 

People misremember. What the FBI does is claim its a lie and not a mistake in order to squeeze you and see if anything comes out.

 

If that's so, why does he constantly whine about not getting due process?

Let him go under oath, since he claims innocence.

 

Actually, they did proceed in proper fashion. This is not something for which we have a playbook. The process was carefully laid out in full transparency, and Trump has known full well all along that the part of the process for deposing witnesses would not include him or his lawyers, but that he would be given every chance to defend himself later in the proceedings. He just used it to create yet another in an endless stream of false narratives for his base.

 

What did Pelosi do that wasn't "serious and somber"? No one is taking any of this lightly, certainly not Pelosi.

Congress is not designed to be impartial. The party system by its very nature is combative and always has been. One party gets the majority, which includes the gavels. Don't like it? Join the club ... I didn't like it when that idiot Devin Nunes had the gavel in the Intelligence Committee. It's a table that turns, often.

 

Under oath? Donald Trump, under oath? Never gonna happen. Even Trump isn't that stupid.

You're right about the hypocrisy of the right ... as we see here daily. If Trump were a Democrat, he'd already be gone.

 

Do you really believe that? Even though he never used the word corruption on that call, but did mention the Bidens several times? Even after all the corroborating testimony from a dozen or so non-partisan career diplomats and intelligence experts? Wow, you fit right in with your hero.

"I don't care. I believe Putin." -- Donald J. Trump, July 2017.

 

You just tell the truth. What else would "come out"? It doesn't matter what the FBI "claims". They have to prove it to a jury.

In the case of Trump, his best defense about any such claim is to be deposed on live TV. That way there is no doubt.

 

I could say that about most of the regulars here. Few actually know why we support Ukraine, or how and why that support started after the breakup of the USSR.

A short history lesson for those who are interested.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

"After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Ukraine held about one third of the Soviet nuclear arsenal, the third largest in the world at the time, as well as significant means of its design and production."

We got them to give those up, destroy them, for a promise of support. Just think of what could have happened had the Ukrainians not been so determined to become a democratic Western nation.

 

If juries were infallible, that might be true.

 

Clinton's legal counsel was present, the Democrats did not allow Trump's.

Only after I asked you again and no you didn't try again in that thread.

 

'I'm here to voluntarily try and dodge purjury traps and process crimes!'

Said no sane human ever.

Trump ignoring this farse will simply be evidence that he's not a moron.

 

What the f... hell? So you claim that Trump should not be deposed because "juries are fallible"? The implication, of course, would be that nobody should ever be deposed or indicted because "juries are fallible".

I think that just about reaches the top of the desperate attempts to find some way to defend Trump. And please don't try to insult my intelligence by claiming that you're not a Trump loyalist. Not even the most outspoken of the self-identified Trump cultists has ever gone to the extremes you have to defend their "demigod"

 

This is not a criminal matter this is an impeachment and whether by an aft of the House the President will become an impeached President by those House declaring he committed impeachable acts. He has been provided no means of defense to those charges.

 

I was responding to this comment.

Just telling the truth does not guarantee anything for the simple reason that juries are not infallible. Listening to you, you would get the impression that juries are always correct because of "proof".

 

Because Clinton testified during his investigation!!!! Under oath!!! Trump won't! You are entitled to (and may need) legal counsel when you testify! Otherwise, what would they be "counseling"you about? Trump can have all the legal counsel he want where he is. One place he is not is in Congress being deposed.

The lack of information of those who get their news from the wingnut media is astounding. And, at this point, they should be trying to inform themselves a bit better about what's going on.

Your guy is going to be removed, and you're not going to even understand why! Doesn't even that raise your curiosity a bit? Or do you prefer not to know so it won't ruin your "it was a coup" talking point later?

 

Trump is the president of the United States. He has the ability to defend himself each and everyday in a most public way. In the hearings, all the Republicans defended Trump. They even put yard dog Jim Jordan on the committee just for that purpose.