Great news for those who say Trump has not been given the right to defend himself!

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    That's what happens in a trial. What the House is doing isn't a trial. The Senate does trials. Depositions are always done in private. The people telling you that this was unusual or a denial of due process are lying to you.
     
  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    He is a moron, but that's besides the point.

    What is the point is that you believe that he is incapable of just telling the truth. It's significant that even Trump loyalists see him as a pathological liar.
     
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    He has been given the right to defend himself in the proceeding period.
     
  4. AmericanNationalist

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    Grand juries maybe, and most certainly they aren't leaked for political kabuki theater either. Send it to the Senate or **** is my call. I trust Justice Roberts to have a fair and impartial presiding. Which very well means that Trump would finally be impeached(Yay for the left!)

    I want a fair and as clean conclusion as possible, to begin the healing process.
     
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    I know this not a trial in the conventional sense. However, there are rules of evidence which are based on years of experience. Rules, which the democrats refuse to follow because this is not a trial and they do not have to.

    Trump, to his own detriment, speaks and acts without thinking things through and the democrats take advantage of just about every misspoke word regardless of intent and truth. If I were Trump, I would not testify without legal council present.

    Additionally, the democrats have refused to allow all the witnesses the defense would like to bring forward. The democrats have everything going for them, but because they oppose fairness, this whole sham will be stopped in the senate in a very short time.
     
  6. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes it does! It guarantees that our country is still a country of laws, and not Trump's personal property.

    But you don't care about that, right? I don't even understand why I keep bothering to respond to such nonsense. I hope to do better!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you claiming juries are always right?
    Get off your silly high horse.
     
  8. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    The same can be said for the House impeachment inquiry. That won't stop Trump from trying to prevent the people close to him to testify. Does that tell you anything? It should.
     
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    The Hill writes, "Each side is trying to make the case that public opinion is trending in their favor — but there is little evidence either way.

    "There was a measurable rise in pro-impeachment sentiment around the time that Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky became public in late September.

    "In that call, Trump prodded Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden, as well as a conspiracy theory relating to purported Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 presidential election."

    This is what many cannot understand. It seems today that many Americans have forgotten that in that phone call Trump asked for foreign intervention in our Presidential election and used bribery as a motivational tool. Both are impeachable offenses.

    Republicans, on the other hand, completely ignore the gravity of the charges and think that what Trump did was not impeachable when it clearly is.

    The Hill continued, "All of the drama since then — high-profile hearings on Capitol Hill and counterblasts from the president’s Twitter account and his political and media allies — has not shifted the ground appreciably.

    "A CNN/SSRS poll released Tuesday showed exactly the same split as the previous month on the question of whether Trump should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty percent of U.S. adults surveyed were in favor of his removal, 43 percent were against — the same as in late October."

    In other words about half of all Americans think that the President asking for foreign interference in our elections and using bribery is okay. They don't care about the horrible precedent being set. It is difficult to understand that reasoning.
     
  10. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    Actually, let me clear it up for you: The other 50% don't think it's okay, we just don't think it happened. And yes, that's based off the same transcript, the same hearsay testimony and by sticking to the original definition of words.
     
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    Nice twist, but no. The average US citizen is guilty of multiple process crimes they don't even know about, and most of them aren't real estate moguls. Its no more wise to volunteer to testify before congress than it is to talk to the police without an attorney. And for precisely the same reasons.
     
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