Guess which person is NOT allowed in Kroger's Grocery Store ! (pic)

Hoplophobia, it's an epidemic amongst the ignorant.

 

True, but it's also a liability issue when people come in w/food, drinks, ice cream cones, etc to eat and it's spilled - particularly kids - a mess is left on floor and a customer comes along and slips on it.... down he/she goes, if injured, the store is sued and sometimes even if the customer isn't injured. The stores have enuf to do w/keeping up w/their own messes....

That happened to me a few months ago. Some liquid was spilled, didn't see it and went down on my butt. Wasn't hurt and went on my way.....

 

The support of the individual right to bear arms is one of the things keeping the GOP relevant. Libertarian on the social issues, conservative on the fiscal ones is my preference. I doubt I would ever carry a firearm in Kroger. I will certainly take my money there anytime I have the option however. If you or the moms don't like it, go to a different store.

 

As long as they are adults and only kill themselves it is their choice. Suicide is not a good reason to restrict gun ownership IMO.

 

Then don't go to Kroger. It's not like you have no choice in the matter.

I don't even have their stores in my part of the country, and none of the stores I do have make any issue of guns, and neither do their customers from what I've seen.

 

While I do not favor banning people from open carry. I personally do not believe doing it for attention or for "show" is a good reason. If someone has a legitimate reason I have no problem with it, yet even as a lifelong firearm owner, I would feel very odd seeing that in a urban area.

 

Don't come at me with those strawmen. My stance? What stance other than suggesting people show a little discretion when expressing their 2A rights. These people were looking for a reaction, and they got it, hence, we're here talking about it. People like that are not helping, but hurting the image of all people who carry. But hey, continue on with your all or nothing crusade.

 

Personally.....if I saw someone in the store brandishing a gun...I would immediately leave. I shop at Kroger and fully agree with this decision (as a gun owner), it is a wise business decision to avoid scaring your customers away, it is also the right of any business to put rules in place ....No Shoes, No Shirt, No Enter.

 

I really think we need a new term for the subjects in this discussion. I am considered a "right winger" because I have never voted for a Democrat and I'm pro 2A and CCW... Yet in no way do I think it's in any way a reasonably good idea to open carry long guns in public (whether an AR-15 or a bolt action hunting rifle with ducks carved into the woodwork, ie: not scary black plastic)

The people who do open carry rifles into public places are doing it "because they can" and they know damn well that it makes others uneasy and scared. Yet on the other hand, I don't think they would be doing that if the anti gunners weren't so vocal with their fear of inanimate objects in the hands of law abiding people and trying to take their right to self defense away.

I believe that if the anti gun movement died down that the pro gun rallies, open carry, and all the extreme Walmart shopping with an AR-15 "because he can" crowd would also quietly evaporate.

Just my $.02

 

Police make a point to be known and visible.

As a private citizen, why would you want to be any more than the grey man?

 

I agree and it is usually the young that want to make a pro 2A statement but then the young are more prone to emotional displays. So far though, I have never seen a rifle in any of the grocery stores around here, including Krogers.

 

You people love that term ‘strawman’. How is exercising our constitutional rights a ‘strawman’? Can you admit what you view as discretion is different than someone else? Can’t you see you are trying impose your will on someone else who is 1) legal exercising their rights and 2) a law-abiding citizen? You’re acting on the emotional premise of ‘discomfort’ rather than on recognizing that everyone chooses to do what they do under their own discretion and not yours. As long as they aren’t violating the law, why is your discomfort a means to restrict someone’s rights? THAT is what is called a ‘strawman’.

 

It’s funny people fear more a law-abiding person carrying a weapon that they would use to protect innocent people than they do our highways, where far more innocent people are killed due to drunk drivers, texters, and road ragers. It’s the people that use the weapons for evil intentions that create this fear, and people not knowing whether that woman open-carrying an AR is one of them. Is this really a rational fear that a person walks into a store with an AR draped over their shoulder getting stuff off the shelf for their family? I mean are these the indicators of someone wanting to commit a crime? Are we really incapable of applying rational thought to what we see. Have the Seung-Hui Chos and Adam Lanzas really instilled that much fear in all of us? I mean think about the Boston Marathon bombers. They used pressure cookers and backpacks. Do people have a fear of people in WalMart wearing backpacks or carrying a pressure cooker?

 

From Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America showing the OP pictures.

 

Anyone carrying an AK-47 or AR-15 in a Walmart or Home Depot MUST be viewed as a possible terrorist or psychopath.

I would follow such folks with security VERY closely.

Personally, I would leave any store that had such customers.

EVERY major chain store in the USA should immediately ban the open carry of any firearms.

 

If they can arbitrarily refuse service to these peaceful, law-abiding citizens, would you agree that store owners should be able to arbitrarily refuse service to ANY law-abiding citizens, at their discretion?

The arguments the left usually make is that businesses open to the public MUST serve ALL of the public, regardless of how dangerous the business owners may perceive them to be or how uncomfortable they are serving them. Why is this any different? [TABLE]
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Morally, they do not.

But legally, they do, if they get the law changed to their favor.

And laws have to be followed, or consequences ensue. So, would you rather 'drive' these people to making those laws, or would you rather dial it back a bit and befriend those people to help show them that their fears are unfounded, so they don't even think of making those laws?

 

Sorry, but when I see a lot of people carrying guns openly, it makes me want to get far away from them.

It's just way to easy to kill someone with a gun. And sure, you could argue that people will still kill without them, I agree, but at least it would be harder and take more time, and there would be a better chance of escape or injury instead of death.

I don't think we are going to be able to ban them at this point, but I'm not going to support a wild-west situation where everyone and their mother has a gun on them.

Guns do not lead to a respectful society. Those people just fear the consequences (being killed) of anything they do while around the person carrying the gun.

 

If I want to get from point a to point b in a speedy manner, then I have to drive. It's a calculated risk.

If I go into a store and see people in it with a gun draped over their shoulders, then I will likely leave the store right away. It's highly unlikely that what I needed to buy was needed badly enough to counter the risks of that gun being used, one way or the other.

With all the posts that you see around here of people applauding vigilantee justice for even mundane things like theft, how can you not be at least a little concerned? Guns can kill SO easily.

 

Life itself is a risk. Everywhere you go you risk getting caught up in some sort of crime. Are you going to be an unarmed victim cowering in a corner hoping the criminal doesn’t shoot you, or are you going to be prepared with the ability to defend yourself. Me, I see a person displaying their firearm my first thought is “no one displays their firearm in such a way with evil intentions”. I will go in knowing that if an armed robber shows up, their odds are severely reduced, and my odds of survival are exponentially better. Being armed, having the ability to defend yourself against evil is not vigilante justice. It is a born right to defend yourself. Guns can kill innocent people very easily in the hands of a criminal. Guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens can kill people so easily that have guns with evil intentions. It seems our society has decided we want to be victims rather than have the ability and THE RIGHT to defend ourselves. How sad.

 

hahahah!!!!!!!

nice try!!!

but these women are IDF personnel, carrying unloaded M-16s, in country that suffers from horrible terrorism with enemies on all fronts.

the comparison is pathetic.

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its called private property rights.

stores have the right to keep out someone carrying an axe, machete, AR-15, or any other weapon or tool that they consider to be intimidating to their customers.

don't like it? shop elsewhere.

 

What is your source for this. Every photo I pull up on the IDF they are wearing a military uniform.

 

there are tons of photos of IDF women in Israel carrying around their weapons, in bathing suits.

its a common site.

these women, are Israeli in Israel.

 

I've found some photos of what are claimed to be Israeli girls with m-16s but they do not stipulate they are IDF. I'm asking about this specific photo for your source that shows these women are IDF.

 

do a search for "IDF women beach".

you will see what I mean.