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  1. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    What would make you think that someone would know what I own?
     
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    For all of those guns I bought in private sales?
     
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    It's certainly a better estimate than your side can come up with. NICS checks say almost absolutely nothing about the percentage of homes with guns.
     
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    Don't care. It's a data point with zero use.
     
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    Same as flat earthers and gravity. They have no use for it because it completely destroys there ill constructed world view.
     
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    If you knew exactly what percentage of US households owned firearms in say, 2000, 2010 and 2018, what possible use does such information have?
     
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    Societies keep statistical data. The Greeks knew how many slaves were in the empire, and the Romans knew how many soldiers they had garrisoned in Gaul, and how many swords they had in the armory.

    Every statistic in regards to firearm ownership in America, either anecdotal, gleaned from federal data, or from surveys, suggests that less people own firearms than they did 10, 20, or 30 years ago.

    Which makes perfect sense.

    99% of Americans don't have to hunt to put food on the table anymore.

    Likewise, society has become so safe that an individual can live an entire life without ever having to raise a fist in anger towards another human being.

    Outside of inner cities, it has never been safer to be an American than it is right now.

    In short, owning a firearm is no longer a requirement to live a full and complete life in America, and, judging by the data you choose to discard, the majority of Americans now choose NOT to own a firearm.

    What use does such information have, you ask?

    It gives insight on where we are as Americans. Where we came from. And what we are becoming.
     
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    One, why does the number or percentage of those who choose to own guns matter? Two, why do you think it matters with regards to gun control, the topic of this forum? Once the practice of a right falls below a certain percentage is it then fair game for infringement?
     
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    I don't know that it does matter much in the long run. 150 years ago nearly every American household owned a horse. What percentage of households today do? 1%? Maybe 5%.

    My point being that there is nothing short of a global catastrophe that would reverse the already declining gun ownership in America. Somewhere in the future 5% of Americans will own 99% of the guns.

    And, nowhere did I even come close to stating that with declining ownership comes infringement justification. That's just you making sh!t up.
     
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    Interesting hypothesis.

    It's a forum on gun control. Are you admitting that you are posting off topic?
     
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    Thank you.



    Yeah, I guess I am.
     
  12. Xenamnes

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    It is still nothing more than speculation without actual, verified proof.
     
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    It was interesting in that that the links posted in this thread regarding polls from 2014, 2016 and 2018 showed an upward trend in gun ownership in the US.
     
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    Totally false, firearm ownership in the U.S. has been around 38% to 43% over the past 40 years and is once again on the rise with females and minorities making up a large part of new ownership.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics...eholds-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/

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    And what we are becoming is nothing good; a nation of hedonistic whiners who have zero clue as to the merits of true Freedom or political Liberty, and who find honor and integrity laughably outdated concepts. We have become a soft, self-indulgent, self-righteous and self-serving people.

    It is said that tough people create good times. Good times create soft people. Soft people create hard times. Hard times create tough people.

    Tragically, we never learn from that history.
     
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    No one is ever coming to your door for your guns.
     
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    I believe that is a very common answer given by owners of firearms, firearms are a high value item as such, responsible owners of them will tell a stranger "no I don't own any" just as a mater of personal security.

    Lets face it, if someone was cold calling either on the phone or door to door and asked someone if they keep large amounts of cash or jewelry in their home the answer would be the same "no I do not," so why would someone mention owning another high vale item like a firearm, that's just common sense

    By and large as I was told by a City of Hollywood police detective, burglars don't hit a home at random, they pick a soft target they know will pay well providing them items that can be fenced easily and for the best dollar, firearms jewelry and cash all fit that bill.
     
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    Totally incorrect, there are about 170,000 firearms stolen in burglaries annually, as such letting a stranger know one keeps firearms in the home is quite foolish.
     
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    Right, and you think the 170,000 firearms stolen were all targeted? Heh. Firearms are stolen because of people are stupid enough not to lock up their guns in a gun safe when they aren't home. It has nothing to do with being targeted.
    And I was referring the govt in regards to my comment about about no one coming to take your guns. Which is not incorrect
     
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    Not really. We had eight years of the right wing screaming that Obama was coming for their guns. Now we have Trump who spews vitriolic nonsense every single day on Twitter, and people in his sights are getting nervous.

    Combine those two events and it's no surprise that there has been an uptick in firearms purchases.
     
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    Very few homes that are burglarized are not targeted, as such advising a stranger one has firearms in the home is foolish.
     
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    Are you under the impression that Pew Research sells it's data to burglars?
     
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    Never stated that and of what value would it be to a burglar?
     
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    And, FYI, here is the methodology used for the poll. Notice that these people were invited to take part in the survey, i.e., they had to agree to the terms:

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/guns-report-methodology/
     
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    It doesn't make a difference, someone calls and states their are taking a poll there is no way to determine who they actually are.

    As such it would be foolish to tell such a stranger about the possession of high value item within ones home, would you answer affirmative if someone cold called you and asked if you keep large amounts of cash or jewelry at home?
     

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